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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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hither and tither to and fro back and

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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just came off a pretty crazy weekend and

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freddy one of the most brightest uh

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uh and uh you saw the title of that you

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this nsa document uh was revealed on the

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of the gate is wednesday night and john

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greenwald is back with us so what an

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amazing week here on fade to black now

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thursday's another fader night with open

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uh now okay i got to get to a couple of

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f2b is the sandbox hello to everybody

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out there listening and watching all

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at fade to black and i thank

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so anyway that's that's how great this

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kathleen about this i said

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the bottom of the hour for now

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let's kind of steer back and getting

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on amazon kathleen is here with us in

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celebration uh for the premiere and the

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release of her new book okay all right

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let's get this show cracking happy

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birthday to today

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he's the voices of

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1946 to 2016.

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incredible

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in august 2015 he suffered a minor

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stroke which led to the diagnosis of

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pancreatic cancer

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he died just six months later in london

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on january 14

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2016.

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happy birthday allen

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on this day in history 1965

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in new york city malcolm x is

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assassinated while addressing his

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organization of afro

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american unity at the audubon ballroom

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he was just 39 years old

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here's your fader fact

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the village okay okay

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louisiana in the house

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the village

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of waterproof

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louisiana

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sits two and a half miles from its

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original

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1830s location

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having been moved

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three times

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due to flood waters

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and that

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that is your fader fact

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tonight very special guest

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kathleen martin joins us she's here to

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announce the release of her new book it

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is called forbidden knowledge the links

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for it

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kathleenmartin.com it is available right

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now on amazon

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this is a must read for the entire ufo

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community and the rest of the world

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tomorrow night freddie silva is back

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freddie silva is back with so freddie uh

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i'm with him uh uh over the weekend

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freddy

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gets out of uh a car he's been picked up

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he's been dropped off we're at the the

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set

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uh the film the film shoot

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gets out of the car looks over jimmy

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church i said hey what's going on

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where's my strat

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i said freddie it's good to see you too

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yeah i know but before we start talking

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man you never mailed me

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my guitar you were gonna send

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said freddy freddy freddy

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it was just amazing hanging out with him

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this weekend and we're gonna continue

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our conversation tomorrow night right

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here on the show then wednesday night

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john greenwald is here

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i'm going to be talking about that nsa

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report that is available at

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nsa.gov thursday is another fader night

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with open lines all night long all right

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all right now i'm going to hit this

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well because i need it

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i had an amazing weekend and uh

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i literally

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flew out friday night

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and flew back early yesterday morning

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i'm on a plane at 6 00 a.m 7 a.m

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something like that and uh trying to get

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back uh to la

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um at a reasonable time which it was you

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know two in the afternoon which was

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pretty good

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uh because i had work to do so that's

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that's what i did and so i wrapped i

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didn't tell anybody

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this is what i did i wrapped on the show

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three hours sleep

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that's it boom out of here

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uh turned around i

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literally

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shot all day

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on saturday

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and uh turn around got on a plane and

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right back here and i have not stopped

378
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and there's only one way that that

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happened

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rivermoonwellness.com all right

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so

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right roderick martin

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you know billy carson

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and uh elizabeth hoekstra

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um and nikki speaks it was uh melissa

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tittle

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and her friend who i met who is a

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freaking

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air national guard pilot that's a whole

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other story i can't discuss that on the

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air but that that was pretty crazy um

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just um uh just an amazing weekend

393
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sonia's husband sean

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and uh the power uh that was a lot of a

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lot of strong knowledge all at the same

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place at the same time so after going

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through a weekend like that

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um i jump on the plane i fly back to la

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and this is what happens

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you know

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um i had said

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this was yesterday today's monday folks

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so

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a couple of weeks ago

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i had talked about on this program

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what do what it would be like one day if

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something just appeared in the skies

408
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above los angeles

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you know just some crazy thing you know

410
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and how i and the and the rest of the

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world would react

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right

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well yesterday

414
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after um

415
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i arrived back i leave lax

416
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get off the plane leave lax i'm in the g

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and i'm driving up the 405 freeway

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in that section of the freeway between

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like the 105

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you know i just passed the 105 freeway i

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should say and you know you're like in

422
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between culver city and santa monica and

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lax is on your left and and the pacific

424
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ocean is out to your left and in front

425
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of you is the mountains and the 405 is

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going to head up over the mountains

427
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right okay so that's where i'm at i'm

428
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heading north

429
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and uh

430
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:39,120
something catches my eye like off here

431
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:40,720
i'm driving this way and something just

432
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like

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there's mountains over here and things

434
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:47,440
but it's off in the distance but i can

435
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,080
see it it's to my left

436
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:52,640
something you know in this guy and it's

437
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in the clouds above the mountains you

438
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,840
know right there behind santa monica now

439
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,240
remember i'm driving in traffic in los

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angeles i got to keep my eyes on the

441
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,480
road right i got to drive but something

442
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:06,240
was so big that it caught me and i

443
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:07,200
looked

444
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,640
and and i see it i was like what

445
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,960
and uh

446
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:14,960
i gotta keep you know but something has

447
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:17,360
caught my attention and then

448
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,279
trees and buildings are coming by and

449
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,120
they kind of block my view for a second

450
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:22,799
again i'm driving

451
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,760
but i did notice that the clouds as i'm

452
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:27,919
trying to you know take another quick

453
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,720
glance back the clouds are white

454
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,799
in the area where this thing was and

455
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:34,880
from that distance whatever it was was

456
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:37,840
big but i couldn't see you know and then

457
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:44,310
was this something

458
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,400
finally appearing in the skies

459
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,799
is this the big one right

460
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:52,880
like for real and i had like this

461
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,919
adrenaline rush because i'm telling you

462
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:57,760
i saw something

463
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,320
and it was real and it was going through

464
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,080
the clouds and it was so big that the

465
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,320
clouds were like wrapping around it it's

466
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,159
like right out of a rival or

467
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,240
independence day or something

468
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,400
and uh

469
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:12,559
i'm tripping

470
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,320
and so i look back again the first

471
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,400
chance that i got because i'm driving

472
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,159
and there it was

473
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,080
and this time i'm a little bit closer

474
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:22,240
because i've driven a couple of miles up

475
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,000
the freeway i'm driving north and yes

476
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:29,039
there is something big moving in and out

477
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:30,880
of the clouds

478
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:33,919
so i decide to do a live stream on

479
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:35,679
facebook

480
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:41,750
never try this yourself but remember i

481
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,240
am a professional so

482
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,279
i just start i just start streaming i'm

483
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,200
like you know and i'm driving you know

484
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,320
and i fire up the live stream and i'm

485
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:55,279
trying to stay in my lane i fire up the

486
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,799
thing and

487
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:58,480
you know boom and i just start live

488
00:26:03,029 --> 00:25:59,840
streaming right out the window man i'm

489
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:03,039
just like you know roll down the window

490
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:09,990
i'm streaming from the driver's

491
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:13,039
seat at speed on the 405.

492
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:14,559
and

493
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,960
just i'm just

494
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,799
live streaming i'm not looking at the

495
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,559
live stream to see what's being recorded

496
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,440
i'm not interested at any of that i just

497
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,360
know the general direction where it is

498
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,760
and i've got this live streaming

499
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,760
happening out the window

500
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:33,120
and

501
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:39,520
is for sure

502
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:40,480
as

503
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:47,120
it is for me it just didn't have that

504
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,480
classic like goodyear blimp shape to it

505
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,640
where the gondola is in the middle and

506
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,320
you know the goodyear blimp didn't have

507
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,400
that there was a couple of humps on the

508
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,799
front of it and the back wings to me

509
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,559
looked bigger and my first thought that

510
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:03,039
it was a new ridgid airship you know the

511
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:04,880
the new one that was in the news a few

512
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,520
years back for commercial passenger use

513
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:09,840
and maybe it was out flight testing over

514
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:12,159
la you know and okay cool that's pretty

515
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,039
cool

516
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,320
i i know now it's not an alien invasion

517
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,720
now i was over that excitement pretty

518
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,799
quickly but i gotta say this was

519
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,120
something i've never seen before

520
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:25,279
now uh when i finally got home i checked

521
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,399
out the 20 or so pics that i tried to

522
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,000
take while driving and i did that i

523
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,520
entered the live stream and i was

524
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,520
literally just out the window hold on

525
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,200
i'm driving i'm just like click click

526
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,360
click click click click click click and

527
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:40,080
as many pictures as i could and

528
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,679
and uh

529
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:44,000
i went back and looked and then i saw

530
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,840
what was posted on facebook

531
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,559
and uh

532
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,799
it was the goodyear blimp over the golf

533
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:51,919
tournament

534
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:54,960
in in santa monica so okay

535
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,080
now all of this led me into checking out

536
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:00,480
the new goodyear blimp because

537
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:03,279
you know sure what i saw was probably

538
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,080
the blimp and no problem there but but

539
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,159
from what i saw with my own eyes and

540
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,480
what i caught in the images in the video

541
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:12,960
clearly shows a hump

542
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:16,640
on the top on the front and

543
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,159
and the shape was long it was long it

544
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:22,640
wasn't like the goodyear blimp shape it

545
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,600
was long with this you know so

546
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,440
everything i found online doesn't show

547
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,799
this hump

548
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,399
now i'm not saying that this is some

549
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:33,039
great conspiracy far from it i'm just

550
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:37,039
saying that what i saw was not in any

551
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:38,480
images

552
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:42,080
for the new blimp that i found online

553
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,760
my eyes saw a hump or two

554
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,000
so i grabbed a couple of the clearer

555
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,080
images that i had not looked at it in

556
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,360
some software blew it up

557
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:55,520
and there it was

558
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:56,880
the hump

559
00:29:03,430 --> 00:28:59,679
that i saw with my eyes

560
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,440
was just a reflection from the sun

561
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,279
from a distance

562
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:07,360
with the naked eye

563
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,240
i saw something completely different

564
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,640
that's right to anyone who was watching

565
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,720
the live stream or the video that is

566
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,559
still online

567
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,360
would have seen the same thing

568
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,279
that's right and and i saw the comments

569
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,279
from everybody now the the goodyear

570
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,919
blimp picture is posted later but

571
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:28,000
every i saw the comments no that's

572
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,679
that's that's something different you

573
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,679
got something because

574
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,760
of the way that the sun and the shot and

575
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the distance and the way the cloud went

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everything else it just didn't have that

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goodyear blimp shape it was long with a

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couple of humps on the top it was it was

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bizarre it was truly bizarre

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but it's all good honestly

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i know

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what the adrenaline rush is going to be

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like

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when the real thing happens i'm telling

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you right now

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i thought about

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that

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you know you know what what would it be

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like when you look up and and see the

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giant ship above los angeles

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now i've had a practice run

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i'm being serious

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i now know

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what it's going to be like and how i'm

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going to react and i'm telling you it

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went from head to toe that

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it was freaking cool seriously

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black tonight

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kathleen martin joins us we're going to

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be talking about her new book it is

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releasing tonight you can get your copy

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now

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amazon you can also go to

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kathleenmartin.com

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and uh the links for her website are up

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in social media they're in the video

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description box below and they're over

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silva is back with us

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wednesday night john greenwald is here

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at nsa doc

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we got john on the show keeping it real

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thursday night is another fader night

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church

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tonight kathleen martin joins us this is

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really cool we we are announcing the

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release of her book today

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right now on fade to black i love that

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when that happens

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tomorrow nights freddie silva is with us

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wednesday night john greenwald

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and then of course thursday is another

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fader night with open lines all night

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long

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tonight

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kathleen is with us to announce the

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release of her book it's called

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forbidden knowledge

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a personal journey from alien object uh

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alien abduction

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00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:43,520
to

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00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,720
spiritual transformation she's an author

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00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,640
she's an on-camera expert she's a

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consultant international conference

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00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,240
presenter experiencer advocate

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intergenerational experience or more on

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that tonight of course and a hypnosis

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practitioner since 1990 she has

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researched the perplexing nature of ufos

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and the non-human entities associated

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00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,880
with a highly advanced aerial vehicles

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via her own groundbreaking research

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00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:13,599
investigation and experimentation she is

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00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:16,800
the 2021 recipient of the international

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00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,560
ufo congress lifetime achievement award

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00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,720
for 30 years she and she has engaged

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scientifically focused research on et

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00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,599
experiencers the history of government

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00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,160
involvement in major ufo studies and the

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u.s government's obfuscation of the

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facts

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now her interest in ufos and contact

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00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,160
began in 1961 when her aunt and uncle

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betty and barney hill had a close

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00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,040
encounter and subsequent abduction in

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new hampshire's white mountains we're

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00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,480
going to discuss a little bit of that

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00:37:53,790 --> 00:37:50,880
tonight too as well her website is right

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00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,800
there it's kathleen dash

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martin.com i would like to welcome back

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00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,599
to fade to black kathleen martin

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kathleen good evening young lady how are

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you

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00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,320
good evening jimmy it's nice to be with

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you again you know i i love your smile i

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say it every time it just it just

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brightens the room and and welcome back

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to the program

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and i i i

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i almost don't know where to start with

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this book and

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um

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let me let me actually start here before

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i get into synchronicities because i

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find that very strange uh with the book

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because i just got the book

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but there were some things that happened

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with me over the last couple of weeks

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and the timing of this book and some

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things so we're gonna get into that i i

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just i enjoy it when it happens i

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recognize

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but um this is

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let me let me start here and i don't

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want you to feel uncomfortable

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uncomfortable with what i'm about to say

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00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:59,440
but i want the audience to understand

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that

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kathleen and i

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have gotten to know each other over the

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years

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and i

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so appreciate her her presence

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she glows she lights up the room she's

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got an amazing smile

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00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,680
and there was something about her this

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enduring

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00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,839
quality that um

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00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:24,000
that i just appreciate

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00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:26,800
okay but i didn't know why kathleen i

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just didn't know why and this book

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00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:33,200
really really opened my eyes uh to who

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00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:34,400
you are

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00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,359
and

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00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:37,599
it must have been

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uh

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00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,400
i don't want to use the word difficult

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00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:42,400
but a challenge

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00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:43,599
for you

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00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:47,760
to just lay it all out because you do

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00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:50,880
and your opening lines in the book it

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00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:53,520
might be in the introduction

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00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,000
you said or you say i'm paraphrasing i

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00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,000
didn't know if i could do this

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00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:02,320
right i didn't know

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00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:03,760
if i was

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going to be able to open up

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00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:08,319
and i thought okay

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00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,359
this is

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00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:12,079
an interesting introduction to the book

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00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,200
but you do open up some very personal

816
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,119
things are in this book

817
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:19,119
why did you choose

818
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:22,960
to to do this to just lay it all out and

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00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,589
it just seemed to be the right time

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00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,520
to do this

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00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:33,839
i thought that it was important

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00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:37,200
that people knew and know who i really

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am

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that

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i

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and

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00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:49,839
i just

828
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,720
it seemed that it was time i

829
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:55,359
have been an advocate for experiencers

830
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,000
for many many years i thought i would

831
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,960
take these secrets to my grave

832
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:02,560
but

833
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,319
i have been speaking to small groups of

834
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,079
people or

835
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:10,960
over the past several years

836
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,359
but most people don't know that i'm an

837
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:15,359
experiencer

838
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,720
and

839
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,200
i thought that it would help others

840
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:21,119
i thought it would give

841
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:22,240
readers

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00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:23,599
insight

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00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,040
into what experiencers go through

844
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:29,760
as children and how different family

845
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:32,560
structures and behaviors can have an

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00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:33,680
impact

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00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:34,400
on

848
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:38,880
of

849
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:41,839
growing up in a family where

850
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,960
people are being abducted by

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00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,560
aliens

852
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,480
and uh you know that

853
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,079
that secret

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00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,079
you know when i was studying sociology

855
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:53,680
and psychology we

856
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:57,359
we learned about uh families who coveted

857
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:58,480
secrets

858
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:01,599
and uh that it wasn't a good thing

859
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,040
for for this to happen in families

860
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,710
sometimes it's important sometimes it

861
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,040
can destroy a family

862
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,359
destroy the family's income destroy the

863
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:17,119
reputation

864
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:18,240
if

865
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:19,359
the

866
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:23,440
and

867
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:24,400
here

868
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:28,960
arrived at it

869
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,800
that so many and i understand why

870
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,880
they want to they want to know what the

871
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:36,960
aliens look like they want to know what

872
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:40,000
the ship was like they want to

873
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,280
get to the sensational parts about and i

874
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,359
get that i i do too

875
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,359
but there's everything else that is

876
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:48,880
going on

877
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,720
in your life and others like there's

878
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:55,440
other things that are happening

879
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,480
that uh are involved with this subject

880
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,400
at the same time and we

881
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:02,640
we sometimes don't get to

882
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,760
know the person or what is going on

883
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:07,760
you went through

884
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:14,000
uh the raising of your children

885
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,319
single married uh health issues

886
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:21,520
uh you were constantly

887
00:43:28,270 --> 00:43:24,640
uh given probably your

888
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,280
fair share of life's challenges

889
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:30,240
around

890
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:33,680
everything else with uh with et's and

891
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:34,960
contact

892
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:37,280
and and dealing with that at the same

893
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,480
time but we never know who

894
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:42,560
who kathleen martin is

895
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,640
and and you absolutely did not hold back

896
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:49,520
all of that is in this book isn't it

897
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,800
it is jimmy you know i was speaking with

898
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,119
ray hernandez from

899
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,880
free and

900
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,839
now

901
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,200
consciousness

902
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,480
group and

903
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:02,960
and telling him about the book that i

904
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,160
was writing and he said kathy don't hold

905
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,880
anything back tell it all

906
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,119
and i said you know i will

907
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,720
i will tell it all

908
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,510
oh man

909
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,400
there are some moments in this book

910
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,400
where uh

911
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,560
i find myself

912
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,839
wondering

913
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,920
what i would do

914
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:30,240
if i was in the same position

915
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:31,200
and

916
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:32,400
it's uh

917
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:35,520
you write it in such a in such a way

918
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,400
that

919
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,109
how do i say this correctly you write

920
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,160
this in such a way that we are able to

921
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:46,800
go on this journey with you

922
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,319
and then absolutely sit back and go

923
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:53,040
how how did she make it through

924
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:53,920
how

925
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:58,079
about who you are today

926
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:01,760
um you know this bright beaming

927
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,760
smiling individual and that's how you

928
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,640
got to who you are today isn't it

929
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:11,520
it absolutely is and you know all of us

930
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:14,560
have challenges in life and

931
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,920
uh i came from a very strong family of

932
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:19,200
women

933
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,079
and

934
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,440
my father was a scotsman

935
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:25,280
and and french

936
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:29,040
my grandfather on my mother's side was

937
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,560
irish my grandmother was english

938
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,560
one of the first english families to

939
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:37,440
come to this country there was strength

940
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:40,480
in my family and cohesiveness and a lot

941
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:41,760
of love

942
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,720
and and it was a family where no matter

943
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,800
who you are were

944
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,119
or who you are

945
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:51,520
you may not love

946
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,400
that person's behavior

947
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:56,720
but you must

948
00:46:02,069 --> 00:45:59,200
love and respect that person because

949
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,079
they're a family member and you must

950
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:05,119
give them the right to be themselves

951
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:06,240
did you

952
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,800
revisit these moments uh differently

953
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,880
as you're writing the book

954
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,040
did you start to go back

955
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,520
uh through these different life events

956
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:20,240
and and and live them again and and if

957
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,280
you did

958
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:23,520
how easy was that to

959
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:26,240
to go through

960
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,079
i did go back and relived them that's

961
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:32,160
the only way that i could write in

962
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,920
detail right about them and and you know

963
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:37,920
sometimes i wept

964
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:40,960
when i was writing um

965
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,359
when when they were particularly

966
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:45,119
emotionally trying

967
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,240
times and you know like the time when i

968
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:50,480
was a little girl

969
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,760
and

970
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,000
i grew up on across the street from my

971
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,119
grandparents farm my mother was a farmer

972
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:59,359
she was a milk maid

973
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,800
every morning

974
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:02,160
and

975
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,359
i just was so proud of her i wanted to

976
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:07,839
be just like my mother

977
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:10,400
as she showed me how she

978
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,119
dumped the the milk through filters and

979
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,319
pasteurized the milk and explained

980
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:18,079
louis pasteur to

981
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,960
me

982
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,000
and

983
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,960
i had a little plastic cow

984
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:24,880
and that was my

985
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,240
favorite toy because my mother was milk

986
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:30,400
milking a brown cow

987
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:31,359
and

988
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:34,480
it had a little tail that was movable

989
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,440
and

990
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,880
one day that

991
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,119
tail fell off

992
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,520
and went between the cracks and the

993
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:44,240
floorboard and down

994
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:48,640
to the concrete below and

995
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:49,839
there was no

996
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:52,079
cellar that you could go into to

997
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,440
retrieve it so it was lost forever and

998
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,400
and you know here i am in my

999
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,440
i just say it in my 70s now i don't feel

1000
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:03,599
that old but

1001
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,160
here i am remembering myself when i was

1002
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:09,520
uh probably two or three years old

1003
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:11,359
here

1004
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:14,160
yes yes yes yes and

1005
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,599
uh

1006
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:16,960
the way that you write about your

1007
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,520
grandparents and your grandmother is is

1008
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:21,440
is really cool um i'm not going to say

1009
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:23,200
any more than that

1010
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:24,720
when everybody reads the book you'll

1011
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:27,200
understand exactly what kathleen and i

1012
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:28,559
are talking about

1013
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:31,599
um which takes us to

1014
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,920
uh what i brought up uh uh in the intro

1015
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:37,520
which is this

1016
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,400
a couple of weeks ago and well okay a

1017
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:43,760
couple of weeks ago i was uh i spent

1018
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,440
uh a big chunk of the show talking about

1019
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,000
our childhood memories

1020
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,359
and things and possible visions of of

1021
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:55,839
the future

1022
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:58,160
and and how i went through that as a

1023
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,680
small child

1024
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,240
and i didn't understand it then although

1025
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,000
i understand it now

1026
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:06,800
but i'm even more interested in the

1027
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,520
possible paranormal or supernatural

1028
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:11,040
aspect of that

1029
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:12,960
where how could i possibly know my

1030
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,000
future

1031
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,800
and i asked the audience just to go back

1032
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:18,800
and think about your childhood

1033
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,000
and and did you have any moments like

1034
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,640
mine and i was very interested in that

1035
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,200
and and how it shapes us

1036
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,960
as adults

1037
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:31,280
well i get your book

1038
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,559
and childhood events and memories right

1039
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:35,760
and

1040
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,720
on how our childhoods uh

1041
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:50,000
events

1042
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:51,520
and memories

1043
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,359
shape us as adults

1044
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,680
and that is the craziest synchronicity

1045
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:56,880
for me to

1046
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,720
to to dedicate a show to this

1047
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:02,079
and it's something that i've been

1048
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:03,760
speaking about for a couple of years on

1049
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:04,880
this show

1050
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,079
and this is what has shaped this book

1051
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:09,520
isn't it

1052
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,200
yes it absolutely is uh

1053
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:15,359
especially the beginning of the book

1054
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:19,359
where where i talk in great detail about

1055
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,240
different parenting styles

1056
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:25,280
and how those parenting styles have an

1057
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:26,400
impact

1058
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,559
on the children's lives into adulthood

1059
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:32,720
and how some

1060
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,240
who have particularly challenging

1061
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,400
childhood experiences

1062
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,720
with erratic parents

1063
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,200
with parents who lash out at them

1064
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,079
uh who beat them

1065
00:50:52,829 --> 00:50:49,040
would have a great deal of difficulty

1066
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:52,839
going through life as experiencers as

1067
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,319
well and how dissociation can become a

1068
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:58,079
coping style

1069
00:51:02,309 --> 00:50:59,839
one of the uh

1070
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,319
one of the reasons why i i haven't

1071
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,319
talked much about

1072
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,880
specific things about the way that

1073
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:08,480
i grew up

1074
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:12,480
is that as an adult now i i honestly

1075
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:13,760
believe

1076
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:17,200
that nobody had in an easy childhood

1077
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,079
right

1078
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:20,400
nobody i think that's true

1079
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:21,359
nobody

1080
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:24,319
especially in our generation right and

1081
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,280
um in that there may have

1082
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,520
there may be children out there that

1083
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:31,839
didn't have issues

1084
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,400
growing up that's rare

1085
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:36,800
but they are probably the ones that are

1086
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:40,640
the most messed up today right that

1087
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,440
that those that went through challenges

1088
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,760
uh as a child

1089
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:47,920
um are

1090
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:49,119
better

1091
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,800
suited as an adult to deal with things

1092
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,240
right

1093
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:56,800
they build and develop good coping

1094
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,440
mechanisms right over time and that's

1095
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:02,160
what's so important about carrying us

1096
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,960
through

1097
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,200
adulthood successfully

1098
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,200
now let's let's talk about you

1099
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:09,520
specifically um

1100
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,240
uh

1101
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:12,880
how did your childhood shape you into

1102
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:18,549
i was very lucky to have

1103
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,520
wonderful loving parents to have

1104
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:24,319
grandparents across the street an aunt

1105
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,760
and uncle

1106
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:28,079
in the house next to my grandparents who

1107
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:31,280
owned a farm a dairy and chicken farm

1108
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,880
poultry farm

1109
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,640
and

1110
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:40,870
that was extraordinarily important

1111
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,319
i only got hit once when i was a child

1112
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:46,880
and we were my brothers and i were

1113
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,520
raising cain we were supposed to be

1114
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:50,880
going to sleep

1115
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,280
and my mother came in and she said this

1116
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:55,680
isn't in the book but she said

1117
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,200
if you

1118
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,280
don't cut it out go to sleep i'm going

1119
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,960
to spank you

1120
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,000
and

1121
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,640
she said i don't want to do this but

1122
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:06,960
it's for your own good and and we

1123
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:10,400
continued to to raise cain and so she

1124
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,349
to spank me and she said now i really

1125
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,200
don't want to do this

1126
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,920
but it's for your own good so every time

1127
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,680
she struck me and she only struck me

1128
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:23,520
once to begin with

1129
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:30,549
she struck me again and i said thank you

1130
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:33,680
it shows that i'm a stubborn person

1131
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:37,599
i still am today but uh she was not very

1132
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,480
pleased by my response

1133
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:42,880
you know what my mom used to do

1134
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,920
um i don't i don't remember ever being

1135
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:47,680
spanked by my mom

1136
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:51,520
but it was the threat right okay so what

1137
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,720
she would do is she would

1138
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,640
crack the belt at the bottom of the

1139
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,960
stairs and act like she was coming up

1140
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:00,160
the stairs

1141
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:02,720
we'd jump in bed you know and quiet down

1142
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,520
it was the threat

1143
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:07,920
absolutely you know the threat was there

1144
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:10,960
yeah the threat was there yeah

1145
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,880
she never followed through but uh the

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00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:15,119
cracking of the belt that's a great

1147
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,880
great childhood memory um now what about

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00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:20,240
uh

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00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:21,040
the

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00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:27,040
as a just an overall overarching term to

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00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,240
use here

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00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:30,800
but that was something that

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00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,079
was

1154
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:34,559
also in the background uh with you

1155
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:38,559
growing up certainly up until uh when it

1156
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,799
really came apparent with your aunt and

1157
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:42,880
uncle in 1961

1158
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:46,160
but um what are your memories of of the

1159
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:49,680
paranormal in the supernatural

1160
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,839
i don't

1161
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:52,559
remember

1162
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:55,520
paranormal activity in my home

1163
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,000
as a child except for

1164
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,319
once in a while i would wake up and

1165
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:03,040
there would be a dark figure

1166
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,240
over me

1167
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,480
and for years when i learned you know

1168
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:09,119
after i learned about sleep paralysis i

1169
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,880
would always wonder and i didn't

1170
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:13,680
remember being paralyzed but when i saw

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00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:16,799
that i would scream bloody murder and

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00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,040
put my head under the covers and my

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00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:21,040
mother would come running

1174
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,000
and

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00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:24,880
she never told me that she saw that

1176
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:27,760
dark shadow over me too

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00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,640
until i was an adult and she was it was

1178
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:32,480
late in her life

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00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,400
now um and we're gonna uh uh discuss

1180
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:38,640
this a little bit uh further after the

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00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:39,599
break

1182
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,480
in in 1961

1183
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:44,079
um when

1184
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:45,359
this

1185
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,520
uh the incident with uh your aunt and

1186
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,599
uncle betty and barney hill

1187
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:51,520
when this revealed itself did you

1188
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:55,440
understand the concept of ets or ufos

1189
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,400
i did not understand that concept at

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00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,839
that time

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00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,359
it wasn't anything that was ever

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00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,599
discussed in front of me

1193
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:05,760
and i found out on that very day

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00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:08,559
september 20th 1961

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00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,079
that my mother had had a fairly close

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00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,319
encounter with what we think of as a

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00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:17,119
mothership a huge cigar-shaped craft

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00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:21,440
with smaller craft flying around it

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00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:26,240
back i believe it was in 1957 or 1958

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00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:28,480
and she went grocery shopping every

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00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,680
friday night another aunt was with her

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00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,440
with they were returning home in the

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00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:35,440
dark when they they saw this they were

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00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,599
driving and they stopped the car

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00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:41,760
at a home they knew the people who lived

1206
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:44,480
there the people went out with my mother

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00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:48,000
and my aunt and and looked at this craft

1208
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,200
that was just hovering over a field

1209
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:53,520
and what did uh

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00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:54,480
did

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00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,520
i'm just gonna go with betty i'm going

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00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,040
with the female side of this i'm going

1213
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,440
with the feminine side did they discuss

1214
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:03,520
this

1215
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:07,280
i know only that my mother

1216
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:10,559
after this happened had told betty and

1217
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,599
barney

1218
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:13,839
when they were visiting

1219
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,520
they they came at least once a week

1220
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,040
and

1221
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:21,839
i i wasn't there to hear it

1222
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:23,440
but uh

1223
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:26,640
barney did not believe that it could

1224
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,920
possibly be a ufo extraterrestrial

1225
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:31,760
flying saucer whatever you want to call

1226
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:32,480
it

1227
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:34,160
uh back then

1228
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:35,200
and

1229
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:38,720
betty thought well it might be possible

1230
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:41,599
but barney definitely thought it was uh

1231
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,079
mistaken identity

1232
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:46,640
there is um uh i'm going to talk about

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00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:50,240
uh you briefly i i shouldn't say briefly

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00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:52,000
but the book is not about betty and

1235
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:53,119
barney

1236
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,240
um specifically but of course this is

1237
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,720
something that helped shape your life

1238
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:01,200
and and your involvement with that

1239
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,240
um in the inclusion

1240
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,520
of your aunt and uncle in the book

1241
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:09,680
um could the book have been written

1242
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:10,799
without

1243
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:13,599
uh the betty and barney hill

1244
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:17,040
incident uh chapter

1245
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:19,359
i don't think that it could have because

1246
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:22,559
not everyone knows who i am right that

1247
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:24,559
that they are my aunt and uncle and i

1248
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:27,040
wanted it to be a book that was about my

1249
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:29,359
life story and they had an important

1250
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:32,160
part in it so i i

1251
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,000
wrote a little tiny bit in one chapter

1252
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:38,559
about their experience just to give a

1253
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,079
brief overview for people but i talked

1254
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:44,319
more about the impact that it had on me

1255
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,000
and what i saw exactly it's uh it was a

1256
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:50,400
really really want well done treatment

1257
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:52,799
uh to betty and barney and

1258
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,440
and again it it this is a book about

1259
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:57,119
your life and the transformation that

1260
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,720
you went through

1261
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,040
and it was just very interesting how you

1262
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:03,119
spoke about your aunt and uncle and

1263
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,559
we're going to talk about that when we

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00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,640
come back after this short break this is

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fade to black i'm yours jimmy church

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and uh kathleen is with us how exciting

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um

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you you mentioned uh earlier uh so i

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want to go back and revisit

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01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:01,680
um this um uh specifically about barney

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and in the book you address this but i

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think you address more directly the

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thought

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you don't really explore because the

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book is not about betty and martial but

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01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:16,640
you uh say a couple of things um in the

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book and i want your insight on this

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which is that um uh

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when your mom brought up her experience

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uh

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barney was like i can't be a ufo

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and there's this quote uh that you had

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mentioned in the past

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when uh betty your aunt asked barney if

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he now believed in flying saucers

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and and he replied don't be ridiculous

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right

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yes

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even though he had just been taken

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although he had been standing in a field

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and observed that craft

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at

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hovering only a hundred feet above him

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and making him

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feel from the behavior of those entities

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on the craft that he was going to be

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captured like a bug in a net

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they are captured they don't remember

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the capture they only remember those

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code-like buzzing sounds striking the

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trunk of the car

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the way the car vibrated the electrical

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tingling sensation that passed through

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their bodies before they found

1418
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:33,760
themselves on another track of road 30

1419
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,240
to 35 miles away from where they had

1420
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:38,079
been previously

1421
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:41,039
and uh it's just unbelievable that

1422
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:44,480
barney was still saying oh no betty

1423
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:48,240
don't be ridiculous i i'll prove to you

1424
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:51,119
that i can produce that sound and he

1425
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:53,920
stopped the car and he drove it from one

1426
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:56,400
side of the road to the other he did

1427
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:58,559
everything he could

1428
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:01,359
to reproduce that sound and he couldn't

1429
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:05,200
now and is it is it a situation where uh

1430
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:07,200
and i'm not cracking a joke but it is

1431
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:09,440
kind of funny if you think about it

1432
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:10,559
um

1433
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:12,319
where you just got to go barney okay so

1434
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:15,520
what's it gonna take right what what

1435
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:18,240
what do you need to be put on the table

1436
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:19,119
here

1437
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:21,680
to to change the way that you're viewing

1438
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:24,559
this experience right

1439
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:27,680
yes and you know barney

1440
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:32,240
always uh challenged betty always kidded

1441
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:35,839
betty he liked to get uh an emotional

1442
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:38,400
reaction from betty so he would do

1443
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:41,839
things just to tease her and say the

1444
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:44,799
opposite of what she wanted so that's

1445
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:48,160
that was part of her his personality and

1446
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:52,240
his behavior but when they arrived home

1447
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:55,200
he said to her don't ever tell anyone

1448
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:56,720
about this

1449
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:59,680
no good can ever come of it and then

1450
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,160
when they went to the car

1451
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:04,240
with a compass to

1452
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:07,440
hold it over those shiny spots that were

1453
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:10,559
in the area of the trunk where

1454
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:14,720
they heard those buzzing sounds

1455
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:16,640
barney

1456
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:19,279
just said i have to forget about this to

1457
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:21,520
himself i have to forget about this

1458
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:23,359
right away

1459
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:26,480
we can't pay attention to this

1460
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:29,600
do you think that um

1461
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:31,920
it was almost impossible for barney to

1462
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:34,640
accept everything

1463
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:37,359
i think that it was so emotionally

1464
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:38,400
damaging

1465
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:40,239
to barney

1466
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:41,440
that

1467
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:46,480
could just push it down

1468
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:48,960
betty was extraordinarily curious about

1469
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:50,799
it so of course he was never going to

1470
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:53,679
push it down completely because of her

1471
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:56,799
interest right but for him he wanted to

1472
01:09:01,430 --> 01:09:00,560
forget about it he was the one who ended

1473
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:01,440
up

1474
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:04,560
in the hospital with a bleeding ulcer

1475
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:07,040
a life-threatening ulcer

1476
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:09,839
with a high blood pressure

1477
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:12,719
and that is what led him to

1478
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,359
be referred to dr benjamin simon for

1479
01:09:19,789 --> 01:09:16,799
treatment

1480
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:19,799
and benjamin simon was the

1481
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:22,480
neuropsychiatrist who treated betty and

1482
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:25,120
barney well he bet he wasn't going to be

1483
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:28,000
a patient but she went and asked if she

1484
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,120
could be

1485
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:31,440
and he decided to accept her

1486
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:33,679
as well but he would see them separately

1487
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:36,719
and reinstate amnesia at the end of each

1488
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:38,560
session so they couldn't compare to

1489
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:40,799
stories

1490
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:44,239
and for you um you were very young you

1491
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:46,400
were 12 at the time how old were you i

1492
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:50,400
was 13 yeah 13 13. okay so you're 13

1493
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:52,799
years old so let's talk about you for a

1494
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,199
second you have a close-knit family this

1495
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:57,120
is your aunt and uncle

1496
01:10:02,950 --> 01:10:00,320
um you were at the home with the rest of

1497
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:02,960
the family after everything happened

1498
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:07,040
but as a 13 year old you also know

1499
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:08,239
barney

1500
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:11,199
before the incident and you know

1501
01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:14,320
your uncle barney after the incident as

1502
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:16,719
a 13 year old

1503
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:18,000
how did you

1504
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:18,880
uh

1505
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:20,480
accept

1506
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:24,880
seeing this this change in your uncle

1507
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:28,400
it was very difficult for me i wanted to

1508
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,600
help him

1509
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:31,679
you know i devoted my life to helping

1510
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:32,560
others

1511
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:35,840
uh so i i had that cam compassion right

1512
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:38,719
i wanted to do anything i could to help

1513
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:41,600
him and it seemed that he was struggling

1514
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:43,440
with memories

1515
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:46,080
struggling to remember what happened

1516
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:49,040
during those two hours of missing time

1517
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:50,960
and of course he had the evidence he had

1518
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:53,440
the conscious recall of observing those

1519
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:55,679
entities in the craft

1520
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:57,040
and uh

1521
01:11:02,310 --> 01:10:59,920
knowing there was the physical evidence

1522
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:02,320
the missing time it troubled him

1523
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,040
terribly and he thought that maybe if he

1524
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:07,440
could just remember

1525
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:09,679
what happened during that two hours that

1526
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:11,199
it would help him

1527
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:12,880
and so i

1528
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:16,159
always tried to help him

1529
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:19,360
to comfort him in in a way but to

1530
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,800
help him to

1531
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:22,640
well i know today that it's an ab

1532
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:25,199
reaction but he did have that ab

1533
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:26,400
reaction

1534
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:29,120
in my childhood home at the dining room

1535
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:30,080
table

1536
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:30,960
when

1537
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:33,840
my mother and i and betty were there

1538
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:36,239
trying to help him

1539
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:37,440
and

1540
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:41,040
he he had this breakthrough memory

1541
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:44,560
uh of finding himself

1542
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:47,520
sitting in the car with the roadblock

1543
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:50,480
ahead on that dirt road and those

1544
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:54,159
non-human entities coming toward him and

1545
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:57,520
he had then conscious recall of those

1546
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:00,000
entities and the way they walked they

1547
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:03,120
did not walk with a human gate

1548
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:04,480
and

1549
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:06,880
he there was a huge release of emotion

1550
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:08,880
i'll never forget it

1551
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:11,360
where were you um again

1552
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:14,800
you not not not the rest of your family

1553
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,120
but kathleen martin at that moment did

1554
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:19,040
you did you feel a

1555
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,679
possible sense of relief that okay i got

1556
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,280
my uncle back

1557
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:26,000
everything's gonna be okay or was this

1558
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:27,679
just the beginning of the struggle

1559
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:30,400
because now he's consciously remembering

1560
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:32,719
things

1561
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:35,760
i would say it's more the beginning of

1562
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:40,719
the struggle right uh he he was troubled

1563
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:43,600
right up until the point where he had

1564
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,880
completed

1565
01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:46,159
his

1566
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:48,640
hypno analysis

1567
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:51,120
with dr benjamin simon

1568
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:54,320
uh so then i had my uncle back

1569
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:57,920
before that he he was on edge

1570
01:13:01,350 --> 01:13:00,480
and a lot of times when he and betty

1571
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:01,360
would come

1572
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:04,480
to visit my my childhood home

1573
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:07,280
uh she would be in the house with us

1574
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,679
but he would be walking the backlands of

1575
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,440
the family farm

1576
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:13,440
he wouldn't be there he didn't want to

1577
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,960
hear her talk

1578
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:16,320
about

1579
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,320
her obsession with this craft and what

1580
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,800
happened and what the evidence was right

1581
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:24,719
right he didn't want to hear it he

1582
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:26,480
didn't want to hear about it it troubled

1583
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:29,040
him deeply now

1584
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:31,360
um this isn't uh

1585
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:34,960
i'm glad that you didn't expand on this

1586
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:37,120
in the book so i'm not doing a big

1587
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,800
reveal here

1588
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,040
but i'm going to ask

1589
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,520
your thoughts on one of the statements

1590
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,600
that you made in the book

1591
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:47,040
and you just left it there for the

1592
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:49,840
reader to to think about but now i want

1593
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:52,320
to know where your mind was uh when you

1594
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:54,320
wrote this but you mentioned

1595
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:58,560
that the stress of remembering things

1596
01:14:01,510 --> 01:14:00,640
uh possibly

1597
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:01,520
uh

1598
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:02,880
was

1599
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:06,159
what caused uh your uncle's health

1600
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,280
issues

1601
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:10,080
and and possibly even his death seven

1602
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:11,360
years later

1603
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:15,760
um so quickly um so why would you

1604
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:18,560
uh what what made you say this in this

1605
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:25,270
well i think that

1606
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:26,080
he

1607
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:32,800
and being a black man

1608
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:34,159
growing up

1609
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,960
in uh segregated virginia or part of his

1610
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,640
uh childhood

1611
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:42,800
and uh you know

1612
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,560
obviously any black man any man of color

1613
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:49,120
who grew up in that time frame would be

1614
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:51,280
deeply impacted

1615
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:52,400
uh

1616
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:55,040
barney was a highly intelligent

1617
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,880
man his iq was 140. he wanted to go to

1618
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:00,400
college

1619
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:04,239
the color of his skin

1620
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:06,159
he ended up

1621
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:09,440
going into the army shortly before world

1622
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:11,120
war ii

1623
01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:16,310
he he was in an explosion

1624
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:17,920
there had to have been

1625
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,000
an emotional impact

1626
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:22,239
pre-existing

1627
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,679
trauma anxiety from all of that and you

1628
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:27,920
add that trauma

1629
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:30,159
of that missing time event

1630
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:33,600
of observing these non-humans of being

1631
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:35,199
frightened

1632
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:37,440
beyond belief

1633
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:40,400
and you know having to reconcile all of

1634
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:42,960
this in his mind something that he

1635
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:46,239
simply did not believe

1636
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:48,880
and suddenly he was faced with the

1637
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:50,960
realization

1638
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:53,840
that this was real

1639
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:56,560
it was uh it had an

1640
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:58,480
incredibly

1641
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:00,239
uh traumatic

1642
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:03,120
impact on barney

1643
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:06,880
and uh did he ever in in

1644
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,360
you know certainly the last part

1645
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:11,440
of his life did he did he

1646
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:19,430
after he saw dr simon when he was

1647
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:21,520
finished with his treatment

1648
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:24,800
he did come to terms with it he was

1649
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:26,239
a strong

1650
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:27,760
proud

1651
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:30,640
leader among black men in southern new

1652
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:31,920
hampshire

1653
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:35,520
ps air force base was there so

1654
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:37,440
he was not the only black man in the

1655
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:39,360
area there have always been black

1656
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:42,239
families in portsmouth new hampshire

1657
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:43,280
and

1658
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:45,600
he was actively involved in the civil

1659
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:48,239
rights movement he had been appointed to

1660
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:50,719
the u.s commission on civil rights as

1661
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:53,360
the state advisory board member

1662
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:55,440
he was active in the community he'd

1663
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:58,400
received an award from sergeant shriver

1664
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:00,320
for setting up the rockingham county

1665
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:02,960
community action program with funding

1666
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:05,679
from the federal office of economic

1667
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:08,880
opportunity so he was very active he was

1668
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:11,760
doing the things that he wanted to do

1669
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:16,320
that he loved to do he was able to put

1670
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:19,520
these memories of this abduction

1671
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:20,719
aside

1672
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:23,520
and to know that he could go on with his

1673
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:26,880
life it was over with he could forget

1674
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:28,400
about it

1675
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:31,360
it was confidential it was never going

1676
01:17:35,189 --> 01:17:33,280
to be revealed

1677
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:35,199
to the public

1678
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:39,760
yeah and he was fine until it was

1679
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:43,360
it's uh it's uh it's such an emotional

1680
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,120
uh the way that it's um

1681
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:48,880
written about in the book from your

1682
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:50,560
perspective

1683
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:51,920
this is

1684
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:54,239
your life these are some of the things

1685
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:56,239
that you were dealing with

1686
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:00,480
um that not only uh uh continued

1687
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:04,239
because this this ufo et incident

1688
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:06,640
was was just the beginning

1689
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,080
and as you move on through the book um

1690
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:12,960
uh speaking about your life i want to go

1691
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:15,199
to an event

1692
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:18,719
and i'm just going to say this and then

1693
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:21,520
i want you to uh take off

1694
01:18:28,270 --> 01:18:24,800
but to talk about uh your new life and

1695
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:28,280
crested butte colorado

1696
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:30,000
1978.

1697
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:32,960
now uh were

1698
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:34,880
your relationship with iran is still

1699
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:36,960
going on and we're going to circle back

1700
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:37,840
to that

1701
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:40,640
um but uh you

1702
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:43,600
you've got a new life it's 1978 it's

1703
01:18:47,350 --> 01:18:45,040
crested mute

1704
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:47,360
but you write i want you to complete

1705
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:49,199
this sentence

1706
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:51,840
and it's incredible you write and i

1707
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:53,120
quote

1708
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:54,560
one night

1709
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:56,239
i am missing

1710
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:59,040
and my neighbors are searching for me

1711
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:01,040
after they

1712
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:02,719
see a craft

1713
01:19:08,330 --> 01:19:06,880
hovering near my home end quote

1714
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:08,340
what the heck kathleen

1715
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,159
[Laughter]

1716
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:14,800
yeah this is jimmy um

1717
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:18,159
i i knew i was going to be taken that

1718
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:20,159
night

1719
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:22,640
my neighbors had a close encounter with

1720
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:24,159
a craft

1721
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:26,320
outside the condominium that we all

1722
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:27,679
lived in

1723
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:30,000
and uh they were looking for me because

1724
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:32,159
they knew of my interest

1725
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:34,880
in the topic i knew they

1726
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,920
met my aunt when she came to visit

1727
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:39,600
and

1728
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:41,440
they couldn't find me because i was

1729
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:43,920
probably on that craft

1730
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:50,790
i mean this this book is a page turner

1731
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:53,600
and and i'm letting the audience know

1732
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:57,360
this is an actual sentence uh typed by

1733
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:58,880
kathleen

1734
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:00,960
and uh

1735
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:04,800
so so what happened and um what time of

1736
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:07,040
night by the way

1737
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:08,719
oh it was

1738
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:10,480
probably around

1739
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:13,840
11 o'clock midnight something like that

1740
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,719
out in crested butte people generally

1741
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:18,480
slept late

1742
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:19,600
and

1743
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,639
then stayed up late at night

1744
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:24,239
socializing

1745
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:27,040
i was different from the rest of com

1746
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:30,320
being a yankee from from new hampshire

1747
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:33,280
where uh we were always up early because

1748
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,600
you could get the work done and you know

1749
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:38,159
that sort of thing uh especially growing

1750
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:41,360
up on a farm so uh i was different from

1751
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,320
the rest of them uh they

1752
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:47,040
but i was not sleeping in my bed that

1753
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:48,400
night

1754
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:52,880
i'm sure that i had gone into my bedroom

1755
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:54,239
uh

1756
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:57,040
when they were looking for me

1757
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:59,199
we didn't have to lock our doors out

1758
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:01,600
there people would just walk in

1759
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:02,800
or if

1760
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:05,760
or they would pound on the door

1761
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:08,719
they wanted to find me

1762
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:11,040
and they couldn't

1763
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:13,040
and

1764
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:18,550
i'm not certain how long i was gone

1765
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:20,880
because they thought oh well she must be

1766
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:23,199
somewhere they didn't realize i was on

1767
01:21:27,910 --> 01:21:24,960
the craft right

1768
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:27,920
i i'm in fact i'm not certain that i was

1769
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:29,920
but why was it hovering outside my

1770
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:32,000
bedroom window

1771
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:33,199
that close

1772
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:36,239
and uh if i wasn't right right right and

1773
01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:39,520
when did you show back up

1774
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,840
uh the next

1775
01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:42,480
morning

1776
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:45,040
i woke up and i knew that something had

1777
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:46,880
happened

1778
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:47,679
and

1779
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:52,239
so i asked my roommates about that

1780
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:53,760
and

1781
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:55,760
they thought that they had vague

1782
01:22:03,270 --> 01:21:57,199
memories

1783
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:05,510
remembered being i think that was this

1784
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:09,760
time on the other side of the condo

1785
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:11,040
i was

1786
01:22:23,110 --> 01:22:21,350
of sorts up into this craft

1787
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:23,120
and

1788
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:25,040
i remembered

1789
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:27,360
finding myself in in

1790
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:30,000
some sort of almost like an

1791
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:33,280
antique dentist chair maybe it was

1792
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:35,600
but it was very comfortable at the same

1793
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:36,800
time

1794
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:41,520
it seemed it just it wasn't

1795
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:45,360
uh constructed in a very sturdy way from

1796
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:47,760
my memory of it

1797
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:49,920
but i was lying on it

1798
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:53,440
and there was an entity that was staring

1799
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:56,560
into my eyes and i there were these very

1800
01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:59,360
large eyes staring into mine

1801
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:01,280
and

1802
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:04,239
i i could feel this incredible feeling

1803
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:06,080
of love

1804
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:08,719
coming from those eyes and i thought to

1805
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:10,639
myself

1806
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:14,000
does this being love me or does he love

1807
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:20,870
that's what thought went through my mind

1808
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:22,800
i'm not sure if i put that in the book

1809
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:26,320
no you didn't and i'm just and it isn't

1810
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:29,840
isn't that interesting um you could go

1811
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:32,400
anywhere in your thoughts but but you

1812
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:36,480
went there um why do you think that

1813
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:39,040
why do you think that is

1814
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:42,320
the tasting of the flesh part

1815
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:44,239
i don't know

1816
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:47,920
i really don't know why i guess it was

1817
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:50,960
that i did not have trust

1818
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:52,880
you didn't see like a table setting in

1819
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:55,440
the background with with with a napkin

1820
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:57,760
and a knife and fork

1821
01:24:03,350 --> 01:23:59,280
there wasn't any

1822
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:03,360
no

1823
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:09,600
i was always afraid that i wouldn't be

1824
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:11,520
returned

1825
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:13,440
that

1826
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:16,560
they were doing something to me like

1827
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:19,600
they did to my aunt

1828
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:22,800
probably removing ova right

1829
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:24,639
and i wondered if

1830
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:26,320
they were

1831
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:29,440
growing these babies as food

1832
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:31,360
that's what i was wondering but it was

1833
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:34,080
because i was so frightened i think it

1834
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:36,320
was so negative for me

1835
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:39,199
back then i didn't understand what was

1836
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:40,239
happening

1837
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:41,679
even though

1838
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:42,880
uh

1839
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:45,679
the love was projected toward me i

1840
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:47,600
didn't trust it

1841
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:51,040
and it took me uh many many years

1842
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:52,960
to overcome

1843
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:54,880
that distrust

1844
01:25:03,830 --> 01:24:55,840
that

1845
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:03,840
night without trepidation

1846
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:05,840
in my own home

1847
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:08,159
and i couldn't sleep i had great

1848
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:11,520
difficulty with that because of the fear

1849
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:15,440
but finally i decided that if i was

1850
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:18,639
going to make it through all of this

1851
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:20,960
and become a whole person

1852
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:24,560
i had to devise a plan to do that and i

1853
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:27,920
had to stop being fearful and i had to

1854
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:28,880
gain

1855
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:32,159
that strength inside me

1856
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:35,600
that came from from my family right and

1857
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:38,800
use that strength yes yes yes and and

1858
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:42,239
you you so you um

1859
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:44,880
uh i don't know where how far along in

1860
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:46,880
the timeline this is but

1861
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:49,520
you you talk about hanging out with your

1862
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:51,120
aunt aunt betty

1863
01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:51,920
and

1864
01:26:03,030 --> 01:25:59,679
is i don't know if this is related to

1865
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:03,040
this experience in 1978 79 in bu uh

1866
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:04,400
crest debut

1867
01:26:10,709 --> 01:26:07,120
but betty says to you

1868
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,719
that no one should be frightened of

1869
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:12,400
contact

1870
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:14,800
and that's uh that's a very interesting

1871
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,560
thing why do why do you think she gave

1872
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:18,960
you this advice to share with everybody

1873
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:20,880
else

1874
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:23,199
well she thought that they were just

1875
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:27,040
astronauts coming from another planet

1876
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:29,520
and that they were just interested in

1877
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:30,960
our family

1878
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:32,000
uh

1879
01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:35,440
maybe doing a sociological study on us

1880
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:37,199
and

1881
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:40,159
she didn't have that fright that i had

1882
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:42,960
but i was younger you know i was 17

1883
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:46,320
years old when i was taken

1884
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:48,320
and then

1885
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:51,360
taken periodically from time to time i

1886
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:53,040
was probably

1887
01:26:58,709 --> 01:26:56,400
uh 27 28 years old when

1888
01:27:01,990 --> 01:26:58,719
that craft was hovering outside my

1889
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:02,000
condominium encrusted butte

1890
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:05,920
betty was older um and i think

1891
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:08,880
and betty was a lot stronger i think at

1892
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:12,239
that point than i was

1893
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:15,679
betty uh was brave i mean betty

1894
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:17,600
owned her own pistol

1895
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:19,840
betty was a social worker for the state

1896
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:22,560
of new hampshire and i know a story of

1897
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:25,280
her where one time

1898
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:28,000
one of her foster children a teenage

1899
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:29,520
girl

1900
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:31,040
had a boyfriend

1901
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:32,400
who escaped

1902
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:34,000
from jail

1903
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:37,520
and the the foster girl ran away and was

1904
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,880
holed up in a hotel room motel room

1905
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:42,960
with this criminal

1906
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:45,360
and the police were all outside and they

1907
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:46,800
called betty

1908
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:48,480
this is at night

1909
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:50,159
and she went

1910
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:53,760
and she was on the bullhorn saying

1911
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:56,080
to the girl

1912
01:28:01,830 --> 01:27:59,040
i'm betty hill and you get your butt out

1913
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:01,840
of there right now i'm not gonna wait

1914
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:05,280
around for you get yourself dressed and

1915
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:07,760
get out of that room

1916
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:09,600
and the girl did it she said betty said

1917
01:28:12,830 --> 01:28:11,520
if you don't come out i'm coming in

1918
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:12,840
after

1919
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:15,679
you it was that kind of thing she was

1920
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:16,719
just

1921
01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:19,520
she was so brave that's incredible yeah

1922
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:22,159
so so dude is in the hotel room saying

1923
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:23,920
what are you doing as she's putting on

1924
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:26,560
her socks that's betty hill

1925
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:28,560
i'm out of here man

1926
01:28:33,270 --> 01:28:30,880
you can do this my caseworker i'm gonna

1927
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:33,280
be in jail too

1928
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:36,719
i'm out i'm out um when we come back uh

1929
01:28:41,669 --> 01:28:38,880
we're gonna take a a quick break right

1930
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:41,679
here um but i'm gonna stay

1931
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:44,400
uh right here in this period of your

1932
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:46,639
life because when we come back i want to

1933
01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:48,880
talk about your two husbands uh what you

1934
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,239
went through there

1935
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:52,400
and and your kids and your family life

1936
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:55,120
if that's okay it's in the book

1937
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:56,560
you can't put the genie back in the

1938
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,080
bottle uh

1939
01:29:01,350 --> 01:29:00,000
so we're gonna discuss this when we come

1940
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:01,360
back you ready

1941
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:03,600
okay absolutely our guest tonight

1942
01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:05,840
kathleen martin i'm your host jimmy

1943
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:08,239
church this is the night

1944
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:10,960
that kathleen releases her new book it

1945
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,520
is called forbidden knowledge this

1946
01:29:25,370 --> 01:29:15,440
conversation continues after this short

1947
01:29:25,380 --> 01:29:35,910
[Music]

1948
01:29:41,230 --> 01:29:39,030
way out here we listen to jimmy church

1949
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:41,240
you're listening to fade to black

1950
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:43,920
[Applause]

1951
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:46,000
you're listening to jimmy church and

1952
01:29:52,610 --> 01:29:47,520
fade to black

1953
01:29:52,620 --> 01:30:04,470
[Applause]

1954
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:06,870
this is jimmy church jason martell's

1955
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:08,960
book knowledge apocalypse 10-year

1956
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:11,840
anniversary edition is now available

1957
01:30:16,149 --> 01:30:13,840
most ancient cultures speak of a time

1958
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:16,159
when their gods visited them they never

1959
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:18,320
say their gods came from across the

1960
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:20,880
ocean or from the mountains they always

1961
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:23,440
came down from the skies was ancient man

1962
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:26,320
visited by gods or extraterrestrials we

1963
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:28,159
have not been told the full truth about

1964
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,639
our human past there was a time when all

1965
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:32,639
the ancient cultures lived amongst

1966
01:30:36,790 --> 01:30:34,880
beings they consider their gods

1967
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:36,800
the search for truth leads us down the

1968
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:38,639
path of learning where the et's might

1969
01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:41,040
come from and why they are here to

1970
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:43,040
understand some of these advanced topics

1971
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:45,199
and learn the truth about human origins

1972
01:30:50,550 --> 01:30:47,600
buy the new book from jason martell

1973
01:30:52,350 --> 01:30:50,560
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1974
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:52,360
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1975
01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:54,719
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1976
01:30:59,110 --> 01:30:57,280
over on our site or simply visit

1977
01:31:04,550 --> 01:30:59,120
jasonmartel.com

1978
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:04,560
do you want to be an official fate or

1979
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:07,199
not of course you do this is jimmy

1980
01:31:10,709 --> 01:31:09,440
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[Music]

2022
01:33:04,229 --> 01:32:59,510
you are listening to fade to black with

2023
01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:06,790
hi i'm reece evans you're listening to

2024
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:09,760
jimmy church this is revolution the

2025
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:12,560
revolution will not be televised the

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01:33:19,610 --> 01:33:15,840
revolution is on radio

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01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:45,270
[Music]

2028
01:34:02,390 --> 01:34:00,470
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

2029
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:02,400
jimmy church tonight kathleen martin is

2030
01:34:05,669 --> 01:34:03,440
with us

2031
01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:05,679
her new book has just released it is

2032
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:08,239
called forbid knowledge tomorrow night

2033
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:11,440
freddy silva is back and

2034
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:13,760
wednesday night john greenwald is here

2035
01:34:19,030 --> 01:34:16,560
thursday is open lines all night long

2036
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:19,040
and we're talking about the new book

2037
01:34:24,390 --> 01:34:21,920
and although i'm no spoilers here i'm

2038
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:24,400
not going to give anything away

2039
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:29,120
um but uh kathleen's insights uh for how

2040
01:34:34,629 --> 01:34:31,360
the book was written and why

2041
01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:34,639
uh or what we are discussing tonight and

2042
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:37,360
there is um a

2043
01:34:41,669 --> 01:34:39,360
significant part of this book for me

2044
01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:41,679
that i emotionally connected to

2045
01:34:46,709 --> 01:34:45,760
kathleen was uh your your your family

2046
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:46,719
and

2047
01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:47,440
uh

2048
01:34:55,270 --> 01:34:50,000
two

2049
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:55,280
early in the book uh of course

2050
01:34:58,709 --> 01:34:56,159
um

2051
01:35:02,070 --> 01:34:58,719
getting pregnant having kids

2052
01:35:05,030 --> 01:35:02,080
and the struggles that you went through

2053
01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:05,040
both in your marriages and also

2054
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:09,360
as as a single mom and and what

2055
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:12,480
and in that period of history

2056
01:35:16,629 --> 01:35:15,360
um it was a difficult thing for us a

2057
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:16,639
single mom

2058
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:18,480
uh to go through two as well but you

2059
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:20,239
went through uh

2060
01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:22,880
bliss too as well in your marriages

2061
01:35:29,350 --> 01:35:25,760
where you had these highs and lows

2062
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:29,360
how did all of this uh

2063
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:31,920
the e.t and ufo contact

2064
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:41,910
oh okay you're muted you're not coming

2065
01:35:48,229 --> 01:35:43,520
through kathleen

2066
01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:49,350
okay

2067
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:53,199
strange uh i i haven't changed anything

2068
01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:55,360
here

2069
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:57,040
see if you've got a button that you need

2070
01:36:02,550 --> 01:36:01,189
ah there it is

2071
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:02,560
i heard it clearly do you have it now

2072
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:04,080
yeah now we're back

2073
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:06,639
oh thank goodness

2074
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:15,910
and so you know just briefly um uh the

2075
01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:18,400
question again briefly i should say

2076
01:36:22,229 --> 01:36:19,440
um

2077
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:22,239
how did uh how did all of this impact

2078
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:25,760
your family life

2079
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:28,480
it it made it more difficult

2080
01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:30,480
because i would

2081
01:36:34,870 --> 01:36:32,080
disappear

2082
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:34,880
during the night

2083
01:36:41,109 --> 01:36:36,000
my

2084
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:41,119
aware of this

2085
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:44,800
but my second husband definitely was and

2086
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:47,600
was taken too

2087
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:49,199
so uh

2088
01:36:52,629 --> 01:36:50,400
and

2089
01:36:56,709 --> 01:36:52,639
he did not uh

2090
01:37:02,870 --> 01:36:59,830
some of the times so um

2091
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:02,880
yeah and and for my first husband it was

2092
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:06,560
uh he was a brilliant man

2093
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:08,719
he graduated

2094
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:10,880
first in his class from the university

2095
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:13,760
of new hampshire phi beta kappa

2096
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:19,910
and he was studying the philosophy of

2097
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:21,840
psychiatry

2098
01:37:27,430 --> 01:37:24,560
in cincinnati and i was so proud

2099
01:37:29,830 --> 01:37:27,440
of him and and we had a wonderful

2100
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:29,840
relationship really

2101
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:30,639
and

2102
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:32,480
you know he was

2103
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:34,960
going to get his master's degree and

2104
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:38,480
then i was going to be able to

2105
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:39,600
stop

2106
01:37:44,470 --> 01:37:42,000
working at my teaching position that i

2107
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:44,480
had when i was there and

2108
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:47,040
do my graduate work too

2109
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:49,600
and so i was

2110
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:52,000
just actually

2111
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:54,880
ready to begin graduate school i'd been

2112
01:37:59,189 --> 01:37:57,920
accepted i had a full scholarship

2113
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:59,199
and

2114
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:01,600
there were things that just

2115
01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:03,920
changed radically

2116
01:38:10,790 --> 01:38:07,360
in our lives

2117
01:38:18,149 --> 01:38:12,149
mistake

2118
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:18,159
something went wrong

2119
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:21,199
that uh set us off on an entirely

2120
01:38:25,590 --> 01:38:22,800
different course

2121
01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:25,600
i don't know if it had anything to do

2122
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:29,119
with paranormal activity

2123
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:33,360
or if it was just that medical mistake

2124
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,040
but

2125
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:37,440
that medical mistake when he was having

2126
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:40,880
a truth extracted

2127
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:43,440
changed his personality radically

2128
01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:47,199
changed who he was as a person

2129
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:51,040
and he was so high functioning and and

2130
01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:53,840
just a great personality he'd been

2131
01:38:56,830 --> 01:38:55,920
president of his high school class he

2132
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:56,840
was

2133
01:39:02,470 --> 01:38:59,920
uh center on the basketball team he

2134
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:02,480
started out college with a basketball

2135
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:05,520
scholarship he was a tall guy i

2136
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:13,109
i'm five feet tall

2137
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:14,480
and uh

2138
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:16,320
so

2139
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:18,080
it was uh

2140
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:20,639
it was this uh

2141
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:21,600
that

2142
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:24,880
place

2143
01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:27,600
than i had ever envisioned or he had

2144
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:31,520
ever envisioned it it was tragic

2145
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:33,199
in a sense

2146
01:39:38,550 --> 01:39:36,320
and uh i ended up leaving

2147
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:38,560
and you can you'll read about everything

2148
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:40,800
that led up to that right

2149
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:44,400
and in in the book but i i ended up

2150
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:46,960
realizing that i had to leave and leave

2151
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:49,440
everything behind and i wanted more than

2152
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:50,960
anything

2153
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:52,880
to go to graduate school to finish

2154
01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:54,560
graduate school i was already going

2155
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:57,520
part-time when i was teaching

2156
01:40:03,910 --> 01:40:00,480
but i wanted to earn my doctorate in

2157
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:03,920
school psychology that was my plan

2158
01:40:09,750 --> 01:40:07,040
and and everything collapsed

2159
01:40:12,070 --> 01:40:09,760
and you um uh again

2160
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:12,080
it's in the book and i i don't want to

2161
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:14,159
leave a gap here but

2162
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:17,199
um you remarry and that's when you uh

2163
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:20,239
moved uh to crested butte uh colorado

2164
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:21,119
and

2165
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:26,159
uh you're pregnant

2166
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:27,199
and

2167
01:40:28,629 --> 01:40:27,520
uh

2168
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:28,639
[Music]

2169
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:32,239
things also took another crazy turn

2170
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:34,960
in in your second marriage and

2171
01:40:39,910 --> 01:40:37,199
again it was a health issue

2172
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:39,920
uh with your husband uh that

2173
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:40,960
uh

2174
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:43,520
surfaced very quickly

2175
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:47,119
um and you felt that i i want to know

2176
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:49,520
what was uh in your mind

2177
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:50,560
that

2178
01:40:54,629 --> 01:40:52,480
maybe

2179
01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:54,639
and i'm sure looking back and and as you

2180
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:56,480
wrote this in the book you're starting

2181
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:58,239
to realize things you thought about this

2182
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:01,360
a lot that but maybe he was

2183
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:04,400
not telling the family about

2184
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,719
his his health issues can you share that

2185
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:08,639
with us did you felt like he was keeping

2186
01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:10,239
a secret

2187
01:41:17,830 --> 01:41:15,600
and

2188
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:17,840
he had sent

2189
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:19,760
me i was pregnant

2190
01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:20,960
sent

2191
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:24,639
me and and my baby

2192
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:28,400
off to new hampshire to visit the family

2193
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:30,880
and when i was there i received a phone

2194
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:33,040
call from his mother

2195
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:35,280
telling me that he had been diagnosed

2196
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:37,440
with kidney cancer

2197
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:40,159
and had a kidney removed

2198
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:41,040
and

2199
01:41:50,390 --> 01:41:47,590
he'd been having backaches

2200
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:50,400
he'd had a special seat built for

2201
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:53,360
himself in the van

2202
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:56,320
he'd been going to a chiropractor

2203
01:42:02,870 --> 01:41:57,199
and

2204
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:02,880
that's when they realized

2205
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:04,800
that uh one of his

2206
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:06,560
kidneys

2207
01:42:10,310 --> 01:42:08,719
was malignant

2208
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:10,320
and um

2209
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:14,560
and well share with this um ultimately

2210
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:22,470
well uh we were

2211
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:23,520
going to

2212
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:28,719
in colorado

2213
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:31,199
we were going to be near the hospitals

2214
01:42:36,790 --> 01:42:34,719
and and medical treatment for him

2215
01:42:38,709 --> 01:42:36,800
and

2216
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:38,719
i could not get a job because i was

2217
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:41,119
pregnant every place i went i had this

2218
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:42,960
huge abdomen

2219
01:42:45,430 --> 01:42:44,000
and

2220
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:45,440
he couldn't work

2221
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:47,520
and we ended up going back to crested

2222
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:50,000
butte and he did not get the medical

2223
01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:51,760
treatment he needed

2224
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:52,880
and

2225
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:56,000
you know in the end it was it was fatal

2226
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:59,360
and and and and here's the point that

2227
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:01,119
that i'm getting to

2228
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,560
um

2229
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:04,800
you're pregnant and you're trying to go

2230
01:43:11,189 --> 01:43:07,920
out and provide for your family

2231
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:11,199
but you couldn't get a job right and now

2232
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:13,840
that's right and and and now he passes

2233
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:14,960
away

2234
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:16,239
and now

2235
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:19,679
you're single again

2236
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:23,119
out out there in the world facing

2237
01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:25,199
huge challenges

2238
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:27,040
now you've got to do what you've got to

2239
01:43:32,709 --> 01:43:30,000
do right that's just it's just life

2240
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:32,719
um and and what was your state of mind

2241
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:33,520
and

2242
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:37,760
how do you how do you stay positive

2243
01:43:43,510 --> 01:43:39,840
through this period

2244
01:43:46,229 --> 01:43:43,520
i was as stubborn as ever i

2245
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:46,239
looked straight ahead and i didn't care

2246
01:43:51,109 --> 01:43:48,080
what it took

2247
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:51,119
i was going to work

2248
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:54,080
18 hours a day if i had to i was going

2249
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:56,000
to be successful

2250
01:44:01,030 --> 01:43:58,400
i was going to put food on the table for

2251
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:01,040
my children i was never ever going to

2252
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:04,080
even think about welfare

2253
01:44:10,629 --> 01:44:07,600
uh i i lived with my mother

2254
01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:10,639
and paid her rent and and started out

2255
01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:11,920
slowly

2256
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:12,880
uh

2257
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:14,960
you know back in new hampshire i had

2258
01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:17,920
support the support emotional support

2259
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:20,639
from my mother my aunt betty gave me a

2260
01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:24,320
loan so that i could purchase a car

2261
01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:25,840
and

2262
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:27,520
i uh

2263
01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:30,080
moved on and i worked extraordinarily

2264
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:31,360
hard

2265
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:32,880
and

2266
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:34,560
long hours

2267
01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:35,360
i

2268
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:36,320
uh

2269
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:38,400
ended up meeting

2270
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:40,800
another man i wasn't sure

2271
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:43,280
if i should become

2272
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:47,360
involved with another man in my life

2273
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:49,920
in a way i was wondering if i was cancer

2274
01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:51,840
mary because

2275
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:54,960
my first husband had developed cancer my

2276
01:45:00,470 --> 01:44:58,159
second husband had developed cancer

2277
01:45:03,350 --> 01:45:00,480
was there something about me

2278
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:03,360
that was causing this and i would not

2279
01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:06,400
want to afflict that on anyone else and

2280
01:45:09,030 --> 01:45:07,520
um you know

2281
01:45:11,590 --> 01:45:09,040
eventually

2282
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:11,600
i did fall in love with

2283
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:14,320
my my husband to whom i've been married

2284
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:17,360
now for 38 years right

2285
01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:20,320
and uh and he didn't get cancer

2286
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:23,920
fortunately we have a wonderful happy

2287
01:45:29,990 --> 01:45:26,800
marriage we're the best of friends

2288
01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:30,000
and uh we raised my two boys and his

2289
01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:32,400
three boys together

2290
01:45:39,189 --> 01:45:35,920
now um and and watching you smile as you

2291
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:39,199
say that says it all and uh going back

2292
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:40,560
to my point

2293
01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:43,040
i know you today i've known you for

2294
01:45:50,229 --> 01:45:47,440
about 10 years but but i i i didn't know

2295
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:50,239
about your life's journey and it is

2296
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:52,239
truly a hero's journey

2297
01:45:55,590 --> 01:45:53,119
um

2298
01:45:58,870 --> 01:45:55,600
and now let's go back

2299
01:46:01,830 --> 01:45:58,880
let's go back i i want you to finish

2300
01:46:04,950 --> 01:46:01,840
this thought this is another one

2301
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:04,960
that uh stopped me right there and i had

2302
01:46:10,149 --> 01:46:06,960
to go back and read this

2303
01:46:13,030 --> 01:46:10,159
a couple of times and as uncomfortable

2304
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:13,040
as it is for me to

2305
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:15,760
read this and ask you about this

2306
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:17,760
this is your personal experience and you

2307
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:19,760
type these words

2308
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:22,080
you said and i quote

2309
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:23,520
in the morning

2310
01:46:30,310 --> 01:46:26,639
i sense pain in my abdomen

2311
01:46:31,990 --> 01:46:30,320
and discover a droplet of dried blood

2312
01:46:33,510 --> 01:46:32,000
on my navel

2313
01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:33,520
end quote

2314
01:46:37,270 --> 01:46:35,199
now that's

2315
01:46:38,310 --> 01:46:37,280
that's extraordinary

2316
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:38,320
um

2317
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:40,960
take us through this and why would the

2318
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:46,870
it was there because they were taking

2319
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:48,880
over

2320
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:51,280
and i had hoped that

2321
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:54,800
all of that had stopped encrusted butte

2322
01:47:02,390 --> 01:46:58,239
and now here i was back in new hampshire

2323
01:47:03,590 --> 01:47:02,400
and i was being taken again

2324
01:47:04,950 --> 01:47:03,600
and

2325
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:04,960
i

2326
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:10,400
abdomen to

2327
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:12,239
extract ova

2328
01:47:16,149 --> 01:47:14,159
um for

2329
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,159
babies that they were

2330
01:47:19,669 --> 01:47:18,880
raising on that craft

2331
01:47:22,229 --> 01:47:19,679
for

2332
01:47:23,910 --> 01:47:22,239
you know a hybridization

2333
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:23,920
program

2334
01:47:32,790 --> 01:47:30,629
for some reason when i was pregnant

2335
01:47:34,390 --> 01:47:32,800
i was very fearful that they were going

2336
01:47:37,109 --> 01:47:34,400
to take

2337
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:37,119
that fetus from me

2338
01:47:42,790 --> 01:47:40,159
i was terrified i don't know why

2339
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:42,800
but there had to be something

2340
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:46,159
buried deep in my mind

2341
01:47:51,430 --> 01:47:47,119
that

2342
01:47:54,950 --> 01:47:51,440
sort of thing

2343
01:47:58,709 --> 01:47:54,960
i had only had one hypnosis session with

2344
01:48:03,830 --> 01:48:01,270
and this was before i moved to crested

2345
01:48:06,149 --> 01:48:03,840
butte i believe

2346
01:48:07,669 --> 01:48:06,159
maybe i was living in crested i'd i'm

2347
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:07,679
not sure

2348
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:10,480
but it was in the 1970s when

2349
01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:13,760
he came to new hampshire and he was

2350
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:14,880
studying

2351
01:48:17,830 --> 01:48:16,800
this theory of his

2352
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:17,840
that

2353
01:48:22,709 --> 01:48:19,600
this kind of thing was

2354
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,719
abduction was intergenerational

2355
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:24,480
and uh

2356
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:27,280
attempting to discover why

2357
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:29,840
and so he

2358
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:31,520
investigated

2359
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:37,030
of myself

2360
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:40,400
he even worked with my aunt betty

2361
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:41,679
and

2362
01:48:46,709 --> 01:48:43,760
he asked her

2363
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:46,719
if she was ever taken again more than

2364
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:48,560
one time

2365
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:49,280
and

2366
01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:50,560
she said

2367
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:52,960
and i have the tape recording

2368
01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:54,560
that they came

2369
01:49:00,310 --> 01:48:58,000
to visit her about once a year right

2370
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,320
and jim said to to betty why do you

2371
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:02,480
think that is and she said oh they

2372
01:49:09,510 --> 01:49:04,560
probably just want to know who my

2373
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,870
that was typical of betty and when

2374
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:14,719
we could spend the rest of the show just

2375
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:16,239
on that statement

2376
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:18,239
um the

2377
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:20,400
the site of

2378
01:49:25,510 --> 01:49:23,440
a drop of dried blood uh anywhere on

2379
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:25,520
your body let alone uh next to your

2380
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:26,560
navel

2381
01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:29,040
uh is a cause for alarm

2382
01:49:34,550 --> 01:49:31,840
uh i haven't had that happen to me and

2383
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:34,560
so we can just say that but

2384
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:36,800
how much of it when you see the dried

2385
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:37,920
blood

2386
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:39,199
how much

2387
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:40,159
is

2388
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:42,480
there as a direct thought how much of it

2389
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:44,480
is a conscious thought

2390
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:46,080
um

2391
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:48,639
you know as far as memories go because

2392
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:50,719
you got to ask how did that get here

2393
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:53,119
right okay so when you're going through

2394
01:49:58,229 --> 01:49:55,679
that moment how much of it was just

2395
01:50:02,310 --> 01:49:58,239
right in front of you

2396
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:02,320
it was it was i i felt the pain i felt

2397
01:50:05,830 --> 01:50:04,880
kind of a pinching sensation i saw the

2398
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:05,840
blood

2399
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:08,320
and it was like oh no

2400
01:50:15,750 --> 01:50:09,840
not again

2401
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:18,149
you know that that's what it was in in

2402
01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:21,040
that time frame in my life where i was

2403
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:22,639
terrified

2404
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:26,880
and it was just terribly distressing

2405
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:28,880
because there was nothing i could do

2406
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:30,320
about that

2407
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:32,159
i could i could

2408
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:35,360
impact everything else in my life

2409
01:50:41,669 --> 01:50:38,800
or work really hard at it at least

2410
01:50:46,310 --> 01:50:41,679
determined that i was going to succeed

2411
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:46,320
but with that and that point in time

2412
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:49,440
i felt that i had no control over what

2413
01:50:54,790 --> 01:50:52,880
was happening in my life regarding alien

2414
01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:54,800
abduction

2415
01:50:58,709 --> 01:50:57,199
do you remember um

2416
01:51:04,870 --> 01:50:58,719
uh

2417
01:51:06,790 --> 01:51:04,880
you were taken and where you were taken

2418
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:06,800
to

2419
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:08,560
i remembered

2420
01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:10,960
there were times where

2421
01:51:17,109 --> 01:51:13,840
i was awake

2422
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:17,119
in bed when i was taken

2423
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:19,440
and i remember

2424
01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:21,920
just those glistening

2425
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:24,320
eyes

2426
01:51:30,950 --> 01:51:29,040
that i somehow my husband was shut off

2427
01:51:33,589 --> 01:51:30,960
and

2428
01:51:34,870 --> 01:51:33,599
how i was sitting up

2429
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:34,880
and

2430
01:51:43,830 --> 01:51:40,239
i was taken through

2431
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:43,840
a pane of glass right onto a hovering

2432
01:51:50,870 --> 01:51:46,239
craft outside the house i lived in a

2433
01:51:51,990 --> 01:51:50,880
very rural area on five acres of land

2434
01:51:55,589 --> 01:51:52,000
and

2435
01:51:57,990 --> 01:51:55,599
so it was pretty easy for them

2436
01:52:00,470 --> 01:51:58,000
to take me without being seen i suppose

2437
01:52:02,550 --> 01:52:00,480
except for the pease air force base was

2438
01:52:05,189 --> 01:52:02,560
20 miles away

2439
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:05,199
how many um up to this point i'm talking

2440
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:08,159
about the dried blood uh incident in new

2441
01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:10,639
hampshire um

2442
01:52:17,990 --> 01:52:14,080
how frequent was this contact and the

2443
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:19,030
it's

2444
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:21,679
as far as i know it was not frequent

2445
01:52:28,830 --> 01:52:23,760
when i was a child

2446
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:28,840
but when i was of reproductive age

2447
01:52:34,229 --> 01:52:31,199
in uh my

2448
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:34,239
i know in my mid to late 20s to my mid

2449
01:52:38,470 --> 01:52:35,920
30s

2450
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:38,480
i was taken um

2451
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:45,669
and then it it slowed down

2452
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:47,520
over time

2453
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:51,360
you um you shared with me

2454
01:52:56,390 --> 01:52:52,880
oh

2455
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:56,400
i'm gonna i'm gonna say

2456
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:58,560
uh this was about three years ago and

2457
01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:00,960
you were at a ufo conference uh you were

2458
01:53:04,229 --> 01:53:03,280
with a couple of friends uh mutual

2459
01:53:06,629 --> 01:53:04,239
friends

2460
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:06,639
and you were driving back this was in

2461
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:08,320
florida

2462
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:09,760
and uh

2463
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,480
uh you guys were driving

2464
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:14,480
um i want you to the reason why i'm

2465
01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:16,320
bringing this up is because this didn't

2466
01:53:24,149 --> 01:53:19,520
end in your mid-30s right it did not

2467
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:24,159
um this was a very recent um experience

2468
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:26,880
and i remember you and i talking it was

2469
01:53:32,390 --> 01:53:29,360
either like the next day

2470
01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:32,400
and you had just had a a session

2471
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:34,000
um at your home

2472
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:36,400
and we talked um

2473
01:53:40,790 --> 01:53:38,239
take us through that

2474
01:53:43,589 --> 01:53:40,800
in that this didn't end in your 30s and

2475
01:53:45,830 --> 01:53:43,599
this was a very recent experience and

2476
01:53:47,669 --> 01:53:45,840
i'm sure you remember what i'm talking

2477
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:47,679
about right now

2478
01:53:52,070 --> 01:53:50,080
yes i think i do because they're not

2479
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:52,080
that frequent anymore and i don't think

2480
01:54:00,310 --> 01:53:55,840
i've actually had one since 2015

2481
01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:00,320
probably right but this was about 2013

2482
01:54:06,830 --> 01:54:03,360
and uh denise stoner that's right it was

2483
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:06,840
denise yes yes denise stoner who

2484
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:10,960
who is my co-author and an experiencer

2485
01:54:17,589 --> 01:54:14,480
on the alien abduction files

2486
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:17,599
was was with me and my father was the

2487
01:54:23,189 --> 01:54:20,000
other person who was with me my elderly

2488
01:54:26,709 --> 01:54:23,199
father who i was taking care of he was

2489
01:54:29,109 --> 01:54:26,719
living in in my guest house across the

2490
01:54:32,550 --> 01:54:29,119
driveway from my home

2491
01:54:34,830 --> 01:54:32,560
and so we were going to

2492
01:54:36,470 --> 01:54:34,840
saint pete

2493
01:54:37,990 --> 01:54:36,480
to uh

2494
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:38,000
a lecture

2495
01:54:42,629 --> 01:54:40,800
and paula harris was there right and she

2496
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:42,639
was going to be speaking

2497
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:45,360
and so we went down there for the day

2498
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:46,800
denise and i

2499
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:49,199
uh would always meet we live about oh

2500
01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:52,159
probably an hour's drive away from one

2501
01:54:57,990 --> 01:54:54,400
another but we'd drive

2502
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:58,000
a half hour in each other's direction

2503
01:55:01,750 --> 01:55:00,480
she'd park in a parking lot and i would

2504
01:55:04,470 --> 01:55:01,760
drive us

2505
01:55:07,109 --> 01:55:04,480
so i drove us down

2506
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:07,119
to st pete and we had a quick dinner

2507
01:55:11,109 --> 01:55:08,000
and

2508
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:11,119
then we were on our way home

2509
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:13,199
when suddenly

2510
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:15,360
the gps in

2511
01:55:21,030 --> 01:55:18,560
my fairly new car at that time

2512
01:55:23,830 --> 01:55:21,040
started malfunctioning

2513
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:23,840
and i ended up without thinking pulling

2514
01:55:29,109 --> 01:55:26,480
off the road and there i was

2515
01:55:31,830 --> 01:55:29,119
in a desolate area

2516
01:55:33,990 --> 01:55:31,840
and i and it suddenly hit me what are

2517
01:55:36,149 --> 01:55:34,000
you doing here

2518
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:36,159
and i pulled over

2519
01:55:40,310 --> 01:55:38,159
and i stopped the car

2520
01:55:41,350 --> 01:55:40,320
and i said we have to get back on the

2521
01:55:42,149 --> 01:55:41,360
highway

2522
01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:42,159
and

2523
01:55:45,830 --> 01:55:43,360
so i

2524
01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:45,840
went zooming out and back on the highway

2525
01:55:49,589 --> 01:55:48,080
i had turned off the gps i knew the way

2526
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:49,599
anyway

2527
01:55:54,070 --> 01:55:51,920
um that was just there because we like

2528
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:54,080
to do a lot of talking

2529
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:56,639
and so we're we're all talking again in

2530
01:56:01,669 --> 01:55:58,880
the car and then

2531
01:56:03,750 --> 01:56:01,679
suddenly i feel like

2532
01:56:05,109 --> 01:56:03,760
the car is going up

2533
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:05,119
hill

2534
01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:07,599
or going up into the air maybe

2535
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:09,760
it was

2536
01:56:12,870 --> 01:56:12,000
and i was saying to myself

2537
01:56:16,070 --> 01:56:12,880
well

2538
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:16,080
i didn't realize i was that tired that

2539
01:56:23,109 --> 01:56:18,960
that i'm having this perceptual problem

2540
01:56:24,870 --> 01:56:23,119
i think my car is going up in the air

2541
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:24,880
and

2542
01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:26,080
uh

2543
01:56:31,830 --> 01:56:29,280
then there's this period of time that i

2544
01:56:34,870 --> 01:56:31,840
don't know what happened

2545
01:56:37,270 --> 01:56:34,880
but the car is coming back down

2546
01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:37,280
on the highway

2547
01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:39,520
i can feel it touch

2548
01:56:44,310 --> 01:56:43,199
denise and i resume talking

2549
01:56:48,070 --> 01:56:44,320
her

2550
01:56:50,550 --> 01:56:48,080
cell phone is not working

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01:56:54,310 --> 01:56:50,560
my father who was actively involved in a

2552
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:54,320
conversation with us is now asleep

2553
01:56:57,750 --> 01:56:55,360
and

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01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:57,760
we drove on to

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01:57:02,390 --> 01:56:59,760
the place where

2556
01:57:05,270 --> 01:57:02,400
she had parked her car

2557
01:57:06,629 --> 01:57:05,280
now that was probably it for me for that

2558
01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:06,639
night

2559
01:57:09,589 --> 01:57:08,159
but

2560
01:57:12,390 --> 01:57:09,599
uh when she

2561
01:57:14,709 --> 01:57:12,400
got into her car and started driving off

2562
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:14,719
her insulin pump that she was wearing

2563
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:17,440
was malfunctioning she had a full

2564
01:57:21,669 --> 01:57:18,800
battery

2565
01:57:23,589 --> 01:57:21,679
her phone had been fully charged too

2566
01:57:27,669 --> 01:57:23,599
i didn't like using cell phones in those

2567
01:57:30,629 --> 01:57:27,679
days so mine was completely turned off

2568
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:30,639
but she had all of these problems and so

2569
01:57:34,390 --> 01:57:32,960
she decided well she was going to just

2570
01:57:36,950 --> 01:57:34,400
drive home

2571
01:57:39,430 --> 01:57:36,960
on a familiar route it wasn't the one

2572
01:57:40,310 --> 01:57:39,440
she always took but it was familiar to

2573
01:57:43,350 --> 01:57:40,320
her

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01:57:45,430 --> 01:57:43,360
and she's driving along and suddenly she

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01:57:47,030 --> 01:57:45,440
finds herself

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01:57:49,109 --> 01:57:47,040
on a

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01:57:51,510 --> 01:57:49,119
narrow road

2578
01:57:52,629 --> 01:57:51,520
next to a lake

2579
01:57:56,149 --> 01:57:52,639
and

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in florida the there are tall

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trees with

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moss

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hanging off the trees

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01:58:04,629 --> 01:58:02,560
and

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in that kind of an area because it's

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close to water and she

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01:58:14,070 --> 01:58:11,199
sees this huge red orb

2588
01:58:16,950 --> 01:58:14,080
rising up out of the lake

2589
01:58:20,149 --> 01:58:16,960
and then she remembers

2590
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:20,159
her familiar entity stepping out from

2591
01:58:24,390 --> 01:58:22,800
behind a tree this is an entity that

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she's seen

2593
01:58:29,669 --> 01:58:26,480
all of her life

2594
01:58:32,629 --> 01:58:29,679
and the next thing she knew

2595
01:58:33,669 --> 01:58:32,639
she was in her driveway she didn't

2596
01:58:35,750 --> 01:58:33,679
remember

2597
01:58:37,189 --> 01:58:35,760
driving there she didn't know how she

2598
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got there

2599
01:58:41,750 --> 01:58:39,599
and her husband was inside worried to

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death about her

2601
01:58:47,510 --> 01:58:45,520
because she had not come home

2602
01:58:49,350 --> 01:58:47,520
she called me the following

2603
01:58:52,070 --> 01:58:49,360
morning

2604
01:58:54,550 --> 01:58:52,080
and told me what happened and that she

2605
01:58:57,669 --> 01:58:54,560
was going to go out to find the place

2606
01:59:00,189 --> 01:58:57,679
she did go out uh by the way there

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01:59:02,550 --> 01:59:00,199
was an electric

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electromagnetic anomaly

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01:59:06,950 --> 01:59:04,080
uh on her

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01:59:08,550 --> 01:59:06,960
she's a tremendous ufo investigator she

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has all the equipment

2612
01:59:12,550 --> 01:59:09,440
so

2613
01:59:15,510 --> 01:59:12,560
on that tri-field meter she was able to

2614
01:59:16,950 --> 01:59:15,520
measure an electromagnetic

2615
01:59:19,750 --> 01:59:16,960
anomaly

2616
01:59:23,030 --> 01:59:19,760
and uh now uh but before we get to the

2617
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break okay let's talk about your dad

2618
01:59:25,030 --> 01:59:23,840
so

2619
01:59:28,870 --> 01:59:25,040
um

2620
01:59:36,229 --> 01:59:33,189
well the following night

2621
01:59:39,109 --> 01:59:36,239
i felt that i had been taken

2622
01:59:41,669 --> 01:59:39,119
and uh my dad

2623
01:59:43,109 --> 01:59:41,679
uh said well i saw this

2624
01:59:44,390 --> 01:59:43,119
bright light

2625
01:59:46,470 --> 01:59:44,400
out in the

2626
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in the middle of the night i got up and

2627
01:59:52,790 --> 01:59:48,400
looked at it he said i think you were

2628
01:59:58,709 --> 01:59:55,510
it just never ends in in in your world

2629
02:00:01,350 --> 01:59:58,719
kathleen it just never reads and i

2630
02:00:04,470 --> 02:00:01,360
remember us having that conversation and

2631
02:00:07,990 --> 02:00:04,480
it you know it's a great experience

2632
02:00:10,950 --> 02:00:08,000
but it was your dad's comments uh for me

2633
02:00:13,990 --> 02:00:10,960
that i just found you know so wonderful

2634
02:00:17,270 --> 02:00:14,000
and and how old was he at the time

2635
02:00:19,669 --> 02:00:17,280
uh he was about 90. exactly

2636
02:00:20,950 --> 02:00:19,679
exactly let's take our break right here

2637
02:00:23,270 --> 02:00:20,960
i guess tonight the one and only

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kathleen martin is with us her new book

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forbidden knowledge is out today all the

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links for the book you can go and get it

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when we come back we're going to talk

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about uh are you ready we're going to

2643
02:00:39,350 --> 02:00:35,280
talk about

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02:00:41,910 --> 02:00:39,360
we come back kathleen oh sure we can

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[Music]

2742
02:05:42,709 --> 02:05:40,480
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

2743
02:05:44,390 --> 02:05:42,719
jimmy church tonight kathleen martin is

2744
02:05:47,109 --> 02:05:44,400
with us the new book

2745
02:05:48,629 --> 02:05:47,119
i've got it up there on twitter uh

2746
02:05:50,550 --> 02:05:48,639
everybody can go and check that out

2747
02:05:54,310 --> 02:05:50,560
hashtag f2b

2748
02:05:56,950 --> 02:05:54,320
and uh it is an amazing read it's an

2749
02:05:58,870 --> 02:05:56,960
amazing read and kathleen i can't let

2750
02:06:00,470 --> 02:05:58,880
this conversation get away from us

2751
02:06:03,270 --> 02:06:00,480
tonight without mentioning stanton

2752
02:06:05,189 --> 02:06:03,280
friedman and he must be smiling right

2753
02:06:07,189 --> 02:06:05,199
now and just saying good on you kathleen

2754
02:06:08,870 --> 02:06:07,199
you go

2755
02:06:11,589 --> 02:06:08,880
i bet he is

2756
02:06:13,750 --> 02:06:11,599
that he is in fact a friend of mine here

2757
02:06:15,510 --> 02:06:13,760
in florida is a

2758
02:06:16,950 --> 02:06:15,520
medium

2759
02:06:19,350 --> 02:06:16,960
highly psychic

2760
02:06:20,550 --> 02:06:19,360
and she knew stanton

2761
02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:20,560
in fact

2762
02:06:25,109 --> 02:06:23,840
he has come to visit her in spirit

2763
02:06:29,030 --> 02:06:25,119
and

2764
02:06:31,510 --> 02:06:29,040
she said that

2765
02:06:33,109 --> 02:06:31,520
when she was meditating stanton

2766
02:06:34,550 --> 02:06:33,119
came to her

2767
02:06:37,270 --> 02:06:34,560
and uh

2768
02:06:38,790 --> 02:06:37,280
said that he was watching over me

2769
02:06:39,510 --> 02:06:38,800
and

2770
02:06:42,069 --> 02:06:39,520
that

2771
02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:42,079
he wasn't too far away and there was

2772
02:06:46,310 --> 02:06:44,400
something about the color blue

2773
02:06:48,229 --> 02:06:46,320
and i don't i still haven't figured that

2774
02:06:51,350 --> 02:06:48,239
one out but

2775
02:06:54,870 --> 02:06:51,360
yes yeah right on right around you know

2776
02:06:58,149 --> 02:06:54,880
uh we were uh uh we we shot this film

2777
02:07:00,709 --> 02:06:58,159
last year and a group of us uh were

2778
02:07:03,990 --> 02:07:00,719
sitting it was myself richard dolan and

2779
02:07:05,189 --> 02:07:04,000
whitley and and linda and uh william

2780
02:07:07,109 --> 02:07:05,199
henry

2781
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:07,119
and we were sitting having a

2782
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:09,920
conversation and and we brought up

2783
02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:11,280
stanton

2784
02:07:16,870 --> 02:07:13,840
um all of this and

2785
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:16,880
and the comments were

2786
02:07:20,390 --> 02:07:18,320
man

2787
02:07:22,149 --> 02:07:20,400
wouldn't he just be

2788
02:07:25,270 --> 02:07:22,159
smiling today

2789
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:25,280
with everything that is going on with

2790
02:07:29,589 --> 02:07:27,840
ufos in the uap question and what's

2791
02:07:31,589 --> 02:07:29,599
going on with washington and the

2792
02:07:33,830 --> 02:07:31,599
department of defense and this

2793
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:33,840
acknowledgement and this thing moving

2794
02:07:38,149 --> 02:07:36,400
forward and how happy

2795
02:07:40,310 --> 02:07:38,159
he would be right now to live through

2796
02:07:42,470 --> 02:07:40,320
this moment with us and and how much we

2797
02:07:46,229 --> 02:07:42,480
missed him

2798
02:07:47,270 --> 02:07:46,239
we certainly do and i think he does know

2799
02:07:49,030 --> 02:07:47,280
what

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02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:49,040
we're going through now if he's

2801
02:07:54,790 --> 02:07:51,360
communicating with my friend

2802
02:07:55,589 --> 02:07:54,800
and he would be uh extremely happy i

2803
02:07:58,069 --> 02:07:55,599
think

2804
02:08:00,790 --> 02:07:58,079
he did so much work

2805
02:08:03,830 --> 02:08:00,800
over a 50-year period

2806
02:08:05,510 --> 02:08:03,840
advancing this knowledge despite the

2807
02:08:08,310 --> 02:08:05,520
ridicule

2808
02:08:09,830 --> 02:08:08,320
and uh well he was the he was he was our

2809
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:09,840
spokesperson

2810
02:08:15,510 --> 02:08:12,560
he was he was the face

2811
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:15,520
you know and uh the the other part uh

2812
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:17,360
for me and i want to get back to the

2813
02:08:23,270 --> 02:08:19,840
book of course i'm franco swann but

2814
02:08:25,270 --> 02:08:23,280
um i think for all of us uh

2815
02:08:27,510 --> 02:08:25,280
that uh are

2816
02:08:29,350 --> 02:08:27,520
researching and investigating this

2817
02:08:31,270 --> 02:08:29,360
subject with our own experiences

2818
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:31,280
whatever brings us here

2819
02:08:37,910 --> 02:08:35,199
but when stanton was on tv

2820
02:08:40,229 --> 02:08:37,920
or stanton was speaking

2821
02:08:44,390 --> 02:08:40,239
on our behalf all that went through my

2822
02:08:45,830 --> 02:08:44,400
mind was i'm glad we have this guy right

2823
02:08:49,430 --> 02:08:45,840
absolutely

2824
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:51,669
he didn't he wasn't

2825
02:08:55,430 --> 02:08:54,480
at least publicly wearing the tinfoil

2826
02:09:00,870 --> 02:08:55,440
hat

2827
02:09:02,149 --> 02:09:00,880
media right he was the centered

2828
02:09:04,470 --> 02:09:02,159
physicist

2829
02:09:07,589 --> 02:09:04,480
with his feet on the ground

2830
02:09:09,430 --> 02:09:07,599
speaking for us and and it was just like

2831
02:09:11,189 --> 02:09:09,440
i'm so happy

2832
02:09:14,229 --> 02:09:11,199
it's it's stanton

2833
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:14,239
and he he represents us so well and that

2834
02:09:18,950 --> 02:09:16,800
thought went through my mind every time

2835
02:09:20,709 --> 02:09:18,960
he spoke

2836
02:09:22,950 --> 02:09:20,719
yes he certainly

2837
02:09:26,069 --> 02:09:22,960
did but

2838
02:09:28,470 --> 02:09:26,079
sometimes he was not highly respected by

2839
02:09:30,550 --> 02:09:28,480
the media unfortunately by the

2840
02:09:32,550 --> 02:09:30,560
mainstream media

2841
02:09:33,589 --> 02:09:32,560
he was ridiculed

2842
02:09:37,030 --> 02:09:33,599
he

2843
02:09:39,510 --> 02:09:37,040
was called a ufo enthusiast

2844
02:09:41,910 --> 02:09:39,520
instead of a nuclear physicist

2845
02:09:46,229 --> 02:09:41,920
so he was misrepresented

2846
02:09:48,790 --> 02:09:46,239
in fact when philip class was alive

2847
02:09:49,830 --> 02:09:48,800
and donald menzel was alive

2848
02:09:52,149 --> 02:09:49,840
they

2849
02:09:54,709 --> 02:09:52,159
caused other scientists to believe that

2850
02:09:55,990 --> 02:09:54,719
stanton was a charlatan

2851
02:09:58,470 --> 02:09:56,000
and uh

2852
02:10:00,629 --> 02:09:58,480
donald menzel dr donald menzel from

2853
02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:00,639
harvard said to stanton

2854
02:10:07,030 --> 02:10:04,000
how can you be a scientist

2855
02:10:09,109 --> 02:10:07,040
no scientist would believe that ufos are

2856
02:10:11,350 --> 02:10:09,119
real

2857
02:10:12,470 --> 02:10:11,360
right

2858
02:10:13,350 --> 02:10:12,480
i could

2859
02:10:15,669 --> 02:10:13,360
yeah

2860
02:10:19,109 --> 02:10:15,679
i i could almost do a stanton impression

2861
02:10:21,030 --> 02:10:19,119
right now in response to that but uh

2862
02:10:22,629 --> 02:10:21,040
um he

2863
02:10:24,470 --> 02:10:22,639
uh

2864
02:10:35,669 --> 02:10:24,480
he

2865
02:10:38,310 --> 02:10:35,679
just a little bit too much oh jimmy you

2866
02:10:42,950 --> 02:10:38,320
know and he would set me straight

2867
02:10:46,069 --> 02:10:42,960
and and i would sit back and go uh i

2868
02:10:49,270 --> 02:10:46,079
just got i just got schooled by stanton

2869
02:10:51,589 --> 02:10:49,280
so i've got that going for me right and

2870
02:10:53,430 --> 02:10:51,599
and he always centered me he always

2871
02:10:55,350 --> 02:10:53,440
brought me back

2872
02:10:56,790 --> 02:10:55,360
and and that's what i loved about him so

2873
02:10:57,830 --> 02:10:56,800
much so

2874
02:10:59,910 --> 02:10:57,840
anyway

2875
02:11:01,669 --> 02:10:59,920
uh we could spend uh the rest of the

2876
02:11:04,629 --> 02:11:01,679
night talking about stanton freeman i

2877
02:11:06,790 --> 02:11:04,639
miss him so much and i know you do too

2878
02:11:07,910 --> 02:11:06,800
and so i do and

2879
02:11:10,629 --> 02:11:07,920
you know he

2880
02:11:12,149 --> 02:11:10,639
i have to say that stanton was

2881
02:11:15,510 --> 02:11:12,159
conservative

2882
02:11:16,310 --> 02:11:15,520
he had a scientific mind that would not

2883
02:11:18,629 --> 02:11:16,320
go

2884
02:11:21,109 --> 02:11:18,639
beyond a certain point

2885
02:11:24,470 --> 02:11:21,119
he had a really hard time with things

2886
02:11:27,270 --> 02:11:24,480
like the idea that these ets might be

2887
02:11:29,910 --> 02:11:27,280
inter-dimensional for example

2888
02:11:33,189 --> 02:11:29,920
well you know and and and i think that

2889
02:11:34,310 --> 02:11:33,199
later on um okay we can we can stay on

2890
02:11:37,109 --> 02:11:34,320
stanton

2891
02:11:39,669 --> 02:11:37,119
i think that later on

2892
02:11:42,229 --> 02:11:39,679
um and i asked him directly i said is

2893
02:11:43,589 --> 02:11:42,239
the door cracked open for you stanton

2894
02:11:46,550 --> 02:11:43,599
just a little bit

2895
02:11:49,510 --> 02:11:46,560
to maybe explore these other ideas and

2896
02:11:52,470 --> 02:11:49,520
he said jimmy i learn every single day

2897
02:11:54,229 --> 02:11:52,480
so he did have an open mind uh

2898
02:11:56,709 --> 02:11:54,239
when it came to these other because none

2899
02:11:58,790 --> 02:11:56,719
of us had all of the answers and i think

2900
02:12:01,270 --> 02:11:58,800
that stanton although yes you're right

2901
02:12:04,149 --> 02:12:01,280
about his conservative aspect to this

2902
02:12:06,790 --> 02:12:04,159
but his mind was completely open and i

2903
02:12:10,629 --> 02:12:06,800
think he listened to everybody he did

2904
02:12:13,350 --> 02:12:10,639
listen and he listened to me a lot he uh

2905
02:12:15,990 --> 02:12:13,360
had conversations where he asked my

2906
02:12:20,870 --> 02:12:16,000
opinion he'd want to know what was going

2907
02:12:23,189 --> 02:12:20,880
on in the ufo abduction ufo contact

2908
02:12:26,310 --> 02:12:23,199
field that sort of thing

2909
02:12:28,950 --> 02:12:26,320
and uh you know when when i first told

2910
02:12:29,910 --> 02:12:28,960
him that i was an experiencer he said

2911
02:12:32,790 --> 02:12:29,920
hmm

2912
02:12:35,109 --> 02:12:32,800
i'll put that in my gray basket

2913
02:12:40,310 --> 02:12:35,119
but

2914
02:12:43,510 --> 02:12:40,320
several years he was convinced that i

2915
02:12:45,189 --> 02:12:43,520
really it really did happen to me i know

2916
02:12:48,229 --> 02:12:45,199
he's happy today though it's an

2917
02:12:50,550 --> 02:12:48,239
extraordinary book and uh now let's talk

2918
02:12:53,510 --> 02:12:50,560
about uh francis swann

2919
02:12:55,830 --> 02:12:53,520
and um you were

2920
02:12:57,350 --> 02:12:55,840
you were given

2921
02:12:59,189 --> 02:12:57,360
i don't even know what to call it an

2922
02:13:01,669 --> 02:12:59,199
envelope a satchel

2923
02:13:02,950 --> 02:13:01,679
uh you were given a bundle

2924
02:13:14,730 --> 02:13:02,960
of

2925
02:13:15,830 --> 02:13:14,740
uh from let's just call them visitors

2926
02:13:19,910 --> 02:13:15,840
[Music]

2927
02:13:21,510 --> 02:13:19,920
and let's talk about those 24 pages

2928
02:13:24,709 --> 02:13:21,520
but the

2929
02:13:28,229 --> 02:13:24,719
the other individuals around her uh that

2930
02:13:29,990 --> 02:13:28,239
are in this uh particular story

2931
02:13:32,149 --> 02:13:30,000
let me give you a little background

2932
02:13:33,750 --> 02:13:32,159
first uh

2933
02:13:39,990 --> 02:13:33,760
admiral

2934
02:13:42,390 --> 02:13:40,000
betty and my uncle barney's friend

2935
02:13:44,550 --> 02:13:42,400
he and his wife they lived across the

2936
02:13:46,629 --> 02:13:44,560
river from betty and barney

2937
02:13:50,229 --> 02:13:46,639
now betty and barney did not know him

2938
02:13:51,109 --> 02:13:50,239
before they had their ufo experience

2939
02:13:54,709 --> 02:13:51,119
but

2940
02:13:58,310 --> 02:13:54,719
after he retired from the navy he

2941
02:14:00,950 --> 02:13:58,320
was on the board of directors for nycap

2942
02:14:03,189 --> 02:14:00,960
and so he heard about their story got in

2943
02:14:04,390 --> 02:14:03,199
touch with them and invited them to his

2944
02:14:05,350 --> 02:14:04,400
home

2945
02:14:11,350 --> 02:14:05,360
and

2946
02:14:13,990 --> 02:14:11,360
they were not ridiculed they thought

2947
02:14:17,589 --> 02:14:14,000
they would be in fact there were

2948
02:14:20,310 --> 02:14:17,599
people from the canadian military there

2949
02:14:23,109 --> 02:14:20,320
wilbert smith who was the canadian

2950
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:23,119
governments he was a scientist brilliant

2951
02:14:28,550 --> 02:14:27,040
scientist but he was uh also their ufo

2952
02:14:29,270 --> 02:14:28,560
guy

2953
02:14:31,669 --> 02:14:29,280
uh

2954
02:14:33,189 --> 02:14:31,679
he had passed on at that point but his

2955
02:14:35,030 --> 02:14:33,199
wife was there

2956
02:14:36,390 --> 02:14:35,040
she worked for the canadian government

2957
02:14:40,229 --> 02:14:36,400
as well

2958
02:14:41,189 --> 02:14:40,239
and uh they even had a fragment of of

2959
02:14:43,510 --> 02:14:41,199
metal

2960
02:14:46,550 --> 02:14:43,520
and there was a psychic there who held

2961
02:14:47,589 --> 02:14:46,560
the the metal in her hand and talked

2962
02:14:50,149 --> 02:14:47,599
about

2963
02:14:52,310 --> 02:14:50,159
uh where it came from that it was

2964
02:14:54,629 --> 02:14:52,320
recover it was recovered from a ufo

2965
02:14:56,790 --> 02:14:54,639
crash into a river in

2966
02:14:59,109 --> 02:14:56,800
in canada

2967
02:15:00,229 --> 02:14:59,119
and so betty and barney were relieved

2968
02:15:02,550 --> 02:15:00,239
and and

2969
02:15:05,830 --> 02:15:02,560
betty became good friends with them of

2970
02:15:07,510 --> 02:15:05,840
course barney died when he was 46

2971
02:15:10,870 --> 02:15:07,520
not too long after

2972
02:15:13,109 --> 02:15:10,880
the the book was released

2973
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:13,119
and

2974
02:15:20,069 --> 02:15:16,480
i i wanted to know more

2975
02:15:23,109 --> 02:15:20,079
and i was looking for information i

2976
02:15:25,589 --> 02:15:23,119
have had a long long-term interest in

2977
02:15:27,589 --> 02:15:25,599
the history of government involvement

2978
02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:27,599
in ufos

2979
02:15:30,229 --> 02:15:28,480
and

2980
02:15:32,709 --> 02:15:30,239
i went to

2981
02:15:35,189 --> 02:15:32,719
elliott maine where they lived i i was

2982
02:15:38,310 --> 02:15:35,199
not able to find any information of

2983
02:15:40,470 --> 02:15:38,320
course admiral knowles had passed on uh

2984
02:15:43,270 --> 02:15:40,480
his wife was no longer living there or

2985
02:15:45,750 --> 02:15:43,280
she had passed on as well

2986
02:15:46,550 --> 02:15:45,760
she had actually passed on i found out

2987
02:15:49,990 --> 02:15:46,560
but

2988
02:15:51,669 --> 02:15:50,000
so i couldn't write a lot about this

2989
02:15:53,589 --> 02:15:51,679
encaptured

2990
02:15:56,149 --> 02:15:53,599
but

2991
02:15:59,589 --> 02:15:56,159
i put them the word out

2992
02:16:02,229 --> 02:15:59,599
that i was looking for this information

2993
02:16:05,189 --> 02:16:02,239
and admiral knowles granddaughter walked

2994
02:16:07,430 --> 02:16:05,199
up to me stanton was sitting right

2995
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:07,440
beside me this was at the exeter new

2996
02:16:11,270 --> 02:16:09,040
hampshire

2997
02:16:14,550 --> 02:16:11,280
ufo festival

2998
02:16:15,589 --> 02:16:14,560
and she handed me a nice thick packet of

2999
02:16:17,669 --> 02:16:15,599
papers

3000
02:16:19,189 --> 02:16:17,679
and introduced herself

3001
02:16:21,750 --> 02:16:19,199
and she said

3002
02:16:24,069 --> 02:16:21,760
she gave me the originals she said you

3003
02:16:25,510 --> 02:16:24,079
can take any of these that you want to

3004
02:16:29,430 --> 02:16:25,520
photocopy

3005
02:16:31,430 --> 02:16:29,440
and then send the originals back to me

3006
02:16:34,150 --> 02:16:31,440
and she said i will give you permission

3007
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:34,160
to use any of that in fact i want you to

3008
02:16:37,750 --> 02:16:35,200
use

3009
02:16:38,629 --> 02:16:37,760
that information

3010
02:16:40,230 --> 02:16:38,639
and

3011
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:40,240
so i was

3012
02:16:44,349 --> 02:16:41,519
delighted

3013
02:16:46,950 --> 02:16:44,359
but at the same time it involved

3014
02:16:50,070 --> 02:16:46,960
communication with extraterrestrials

3015
02:16:53,030 --> 02:16:50,080
which is just really far out there at

3016
02:16:56,309 --> 02:16:53,040
that time i was thinking i mean this was

3017
02:16:58,389 --> 02:16:56,319
about 2010

3018
02:17:00,709 --> 02:16:58,399
and so i just i looked through

3019
02:17:02,629 --> 02:17:00,719
everything

3020
02:17:03,669 --> 02:17:02,639
because stanton would frown on that sort

3021
02:17:06,709 --> 02:17:03,679
of thing

3022
02:17:08,709 --> 02:17:06,719
and i just stored it in my file cabinet

3023
02:17:12,150 --> 02:17:08,719
for years

3024
02:17:13,030 --> 02:17:12,160
and then i finally pulled it out

3025
02:17:26,309 --> 02:17:13,040
and

3026
02:17:27,589 --> 02:17:26,319
just lived in the same town as admiral

3027
02:17:30,150 --> 02:17:27,599
knowles

3028
02:17:31,750 --> 02:17:30,160
she was involved in community affairs

3029
02:17:35,110 --> 02:17:31,760
that sort of thing

3030
02:17:38,150 --> 02:17:35,120
but one day when she was driving home

3031
02:17:39,990 --> 02:17:38,160
she was followed by this strange craft

3032
02:17:43,910 --> 02:17:40,000
beside her car

3033
02:17:47,190 --> 02:17:43,920
and then when she arrived home uh

3034
02:17:49,990 --> 02:17:47,200
not too long after that

3035
02:17:52,150 --> 02:17:50,000
the this uh entity

3036
02:17:55,509 --> 02:17:52,160
appeared in front of her just

3037
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:55,519
materialized in her kitchen sometimes it

3038
02:18:00,469 --> 02:17:58,479
was jesus who materialized

3039
02:18:01,750 --> 02:18:00,479
but

3040
02:18:03,509 --> 02:18:01,760
she

3041
02:18:06,549 --> 02:18:03,519
ended up having

3042
02:18:10,870 --> 02:18:06,559
this entity waking her up

3043
02:18:14,469 --> 02:18:10,880
at all times of the day and night

3044
02:18:16,469 --> 02:18:14,479
giving her telepathic messages

3045
02:18:19,110 --> 02:18:16,479
that she would hear and she would write

3046
02:18:22,150 --> 02:18:19,120
as quickly as she could

3047
02:18:25,030 --> 02:18:22,160
and she finally compiled all of these

3048
02:18:26,150 --> 02:18:25,040
messages and she took them to admiral

3049
02:18:28,469 --> 02:18:26,160
knowles

3050
02:18:31,589 --> 02:18:28,479
he was a rear admiral by the way

3051
02:18:33,190 --> 02:18:31,599
uh but we called him admiral knowles

3052
02:18:36,389 --> 02:18:33,200
she gave the

3053
02:18:37,990 --> 02:18:36,399
packet to him and he read the papers

3054
02:18:39,429 --> 02:18:38,000
inside

3055
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:39,439
and

3056
02:18:42,549 --> 02:18:41,040
he believed that they were so

3057
02:18:43,910 --> 02:18:42,559
scientifically

3058
02:18:47,270 --> 02:18:43,920
advanced

3059
02:18:50,549 --> 02:18:47,280
and so important to national security

3060
02:18:53,910 --> 02:18:50,559
that he sent them to margaret chase

3061
02:18:58,230 --> 02:18:53,920
smith the u.s senator from maine and she

3062
02:19:01,669 --> 02:18:59,270
so

3063
02:19:05,349 --> 02:19:01,679
then the cia

3064
02:19:09,349 --> 02:19:05,359
the fbi the navy

3065
02:19:11,910 --> 02:19:09,359
the air force all became interested in

3066
02:19:13,110 --> 02:19:11,920
doing this secret work with francis

3067
02:19:15,349 --> 02:19:13,120
swann

3068
02:19:17,990 --> 02:19:15,359
and the messages that they were giving

3069
02:19:19,750 --> 02:19:18,000
her wilbert smith from the canadian

3070
02:19:21,349 --> 02:19:19,760
government was

3071
02:19:25,990 --> 02:19:21,359
involved in this

3072
02:19:28,150 --> 02:19:26,000
as well and so uh of course actively was

3073
02:19:31,509 --> 02:19:28,160
admiral knowles

3074
02:19:34,150 --> 02:19:31,519
and they were receiving these messages

3075
02:19:36,549 --> 02:19:34,160
from francis swann

3076
02:19:39,349 --> 02:19:36,559
and they uh were attempting to

3077
02:19:41,589 --> 02:19:39,359
scientifically verify

3078
02:19:42,790 --> 02:19:41,599
the information

3079
02:19:45,910 --> 02:19:42,800
and

3080
02:19:48,630 --> 02:19:45,920
finally they didn't verify

3081
02:19:51,030 --> 02:19:48,640
let me let me ask you this were they

3082
02:19:52,710 --> 02:19:51,040
uh approaching this by the way the

3083
02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:52,720
chapter in this book

3084
02:19:56,870 --> 02:19:54,000
the ana

3085
02:20:00,309 --> 02:19:56,880
enigmatic uh mrs swan

3086
02:20:02,630 --> 02:20:00,319
is a page turner i mean it's just it's

3087
02:20:05,030 --> 02:20:02,640
it's it's unbelievable

3088
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:05,040
but but i have to ask you this was their

3089
02:20:07,590 --> 02:20:06,720
approach

3090
02:20:10,389 --> 02:20:07,600
one

3091
02:20:13,190 --> 02:20:10,399
uh were they objective were they trying

3092
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:13,200
to verify or even blow this out of the

3093
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:14,800
water and maybe

3094
02:20:19,110 --> 02:20:17,280
uh refute or discounted were they

3095
02:20:20,230 --> 02:20:19,120
playing both sides here how were they

3096
02:20:24,309 --> 02:20:20,240
approaching it

3097
02:20:25,270 --> 02:20:24,319
scientifically they were playing both

3098
02:20:28,469 --> 02:20:25,280
sides

3099
02:20:31,270 --> 02:20:28,479
um you know her side

3100
02:20:34,550 --> 02:20:31,280
so that she would trust them right but

3101
02:20:36,550 --> 02:20:34,560
at the same time uh they were attempting

3102
02:20:38,389 --> 02:20:36,560
to refute it they were attempting to

3103
02:20:40,309 --> 02:20:38,399
find scientific

3104
02:20:43,670 --> 02:20:40,319
evidence that this was real and they

3105
02:20:45,190 --> 02:20:43,680
went on for a while where uh they did

3106
02:20:47,190 --> 02:20:45,200
not believe

3107
02:20:49,270 --> 02:20:47,200
it until they

3108
02:20:50,710 --> 02:20:49,280
finally did receive

3109
02:20:53,190 --> 02:20:50,720
verifiable

3110
02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:53,200
evidence and it was it's all in the book

3111
02:20:58,550 --> 02:20:56,399
and all about the u.s government's

3112
02:21:00,950 --> 02:20:58,560
interest in this too

3113
02:21:02,950 --> 02:21:00,960
and you hear about dwight eisenhower

3114
02:21:04,309 --> 02:21:02,960
meeting with these

3115
02:21:06,309 --> 02:21:04,319
entities

3116
02:21:07,190 --> 02:21:06,319
i still wonder

3117
02:21:11,670 --> 02:21:07,200
if

3118
02:21:16,870 --> 02:21:11,680
result

3119
02:21:19,030 --> 02:21:16,880
of her messages she was able to train

3120
02:21:21,030 --> 02:21:19,040
a military man

3121
02:21:22,790 --> 02:21:21,040
to communicate

3122
02:21:24,070 --> 02:21:22,800
with these entities

3123
02:21:28,950 --> 02:21:24,080
as well

3124
02:21:32,389 --> 02:21:28,960
and he i know was going to california

3125
02:21:34,870 --> 02:21:32,399
on some kind of uh

3126
02:21:38,230 --> 02:21:34,880
research study or something

3127
02:21:40,469 --> 02:21:38,240
was it was it at edwards air force base

3128
02:21:42,950 --> 02:21:40,479
i don't have that information right so

3129
02:21:44,309 --> 02:21:42,960
that's why it's speculative i don't know

3130
02:21:49,429 --> 02:21:44,319
right

3131
02:21:52,150 --> 02:21:49,439
the time frame is the same you know and

3132
02:21:54,309 --> 02:21:52,160
and back then all roads lead to edwards

3133
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:54,319
right you know it just seems you know

3134
02:22:01,910 --> 02:21:57,600
with eisenhower too as well um

3135
02:22:05,750 --> 02:22:01,920
with um with all of these agencies now

3136
02:22:08,150 --> 02:22:05,760
in involved uh with francis and

3137
02:22:09,510 --> 02:22:08,160
and what was stated in these in these

3138
02:22:10,550 --> 02:22:09,520
pages

3139
02:22:12,230 --> 02:22:10,560
um

3140
02:22:14,469 --> 02:22:12,240
how did they treat it was this

3141
02:22:16,230 --> 02:22:14,479
immediately classified

3142
02:22:20,070 --> 02:22:16,240
were they

3143
02:22:22,550 --> 02:22:20,080
communicating with each other

3144
02:22:24,150 --> 02:22:22,560
i have the fbi files

3145
02:22:26,070 --> 02:22:24,160
i show them

3146
02:22:28,230 --> 02:22:26,080
when i lecture

3147
02:22:29,349 --> 02:22:28,240
i didn't put them in the book

3148
02:22:31,910 --> 02:22:29,359
but

3149
02:22:34,950 --> 02:22:31,920
i have the fbi files

3150
02:22:37,670 --> 02:22:34,960
proving that this was going on but the

3151
02:22:41,270 --> 02:22:37,680
fbi files say that when they realized

3152
02:22:43,590 --> 02:22:41,280
that her method of of communication

3153
02:22:45,349 --> 02:22:43,600
was not uh

3154
02:22:47,030 --> 02:22:45,359
typical and and

3155
02:22:48,870 --> 02:22:47,040
acceptable to them

3156
02:22:53,110 --> 02:22:48,880
they went home

3157
02:22:55,830 --> 02:22:53,120
well i also have information that they

3158
02:22:56,950 --> 02:22:55,840
really maintained a secret

3159
02:22:58,309 --> 02:22:56,960
interest

3160
02:22:59,190 --> 02:22:58,319
in this

3161
02:23:00,389 --> 02:22:59,200
uh

3162
02:23:01,429 --> 02:23:00,399
as well

3163
02:23:04,950 --> 02:23:01,439
and

3164
02:23:07,190 --> 02:23:04,960
uh continued to of course

3165
02:23:10,070 --> 02:23:07,200
attempt to communicate

3166
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:10,080
with these entities attempt to have

3167
02:23:13,750 --> 02:23:12,240
craft shown

3168
02:23:16,830 --> 02:23:13,760
at a

3169
02:23:17,990 --> 02:23:16,840
cia office

3170
02:23:19,990 --> 02:23:18,000
and uh

3171
02:23:23,429 --> 02:23:20,000
on and on there were there were many

3172
02:23:26,389 --> 02:23:23,439
experiments that were done undercover

3173
02:23:28,870 --> 02:23:26,399
now when we um

3174
02:23:31,590 --> 02:23:28,880
when we look at where we are today and

3175
02:23:34,550 --> 02:23:31,600
i'm talking about you know marco rubio

3176
02:23:37,110 --> 02:23:34,560
and the senate and the uap task force

3177
02:23:39,270 --> 02:23:37,120
report and this new group that has been

3178
02:23:40,389 --> 02:23:39,280
put together and and so forth where we

3179
02:23:44,070 --> 02:23:40,399
are today

3180
02:23:45,510 --> 02:23:44,080
it sounds like through francis swann and

3181
02:23:47,349 --> 02:23:45,520
this packet

3182
02:23:50,469 --> 02:23:47,359
that this has been going on the whole

3183
02:23:53,270 --> 02:23:50,479
time that this interest in this and they

3184
02:23:56,710 --> 02:23:53,280
they know that these craft are real

3185
02:23:58,870 --> 02:23:56,720
um we can say ufo uap flying saucers

3186
02:24:00,950 --> 02:23:58,880
whatever but this is

3187
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:00,960
this is a reality that

3188
02:24:05,750 --> 02:24:04,160
that has existed the entire time

3189
02:24:08,389 --> 02:24:05,760
through the department of defense in

3190
02:24:11,750 --> 02:24:08,399
washington dc

3191
02:24:14,710 --> 02:24:11,760
i believe so i was absolutely shocked to

3192
02:24:16,790 --> 02:24:14,720
learn that this was going on in 1954. i

3193
02:24:18,710 --> 02:24:16,800
knew about the government study stanton

3194
02:24:20,950 --> 02:24:18,720
and i did a great deal of research on

3195
02:24:22,950 --> 02:24:20,960
that right and of course he had before

3196
02:24:25,190 --> 02:24:22,960
me we wrote fact fiction and flying

3197
02:24:29,590 --> 02:24:25,200
saucers about all of that but

3198
02:24:32,389 --> 02:24:29,600
um to have that information

3199
02:24:33,590 --> 02:24:32,399
and and at that time being so skeptical

3200
02:24:37,030 --> 02:24:33,600
myself

3201
02:24:40,870 --> 02:24:38,790
made me wonder what

3202
02:24:44,389 --> 02:24:40,880
why would the government

3203
02:24:47,030 --> 02:24:44,399
become involved in something as crazy as

3204
02:24:49,830 --> 02:24:47,040
this telepathic communication

3205
02:24:52,230 --> 02:24:49,840
um attempting to communicate

3206
02:24:54,550 --> 02:24:52,240
maybe through channeling or automatic

3207
02:24:57,270 --> 02:24:54,560
writing and that sort of thing

3208
02:24:59,190 --> 02:24:57,280
and uh you know so

3209
02:25:01,910 --> 02:24:59,200
that's why i put it away

3210
02:25:04,790 --> 02:25:01,920
for many years and

3211
02:25:05,830 --> 02:25:04,800
and sort of had a dismissive attitude

3212
02:25:07,110 --> 02:25:05,840
toward it

3213
02:25:09,030 --> 02:25:07,120
until

3214
02:25:12,710 --> 02:25:09,040
i learned more

3215
02:25:16,389 --> 02:25:12,720
and i began to change my mind

3216
02:25:18,309 --> 02:25:16,399
to and i read that information and so i

3217
02:25:19,550 --> 02:25:18,319
started wondering

3218
02:25:22,630 --> 02:25:19,560
if other

3219
02:25:24,630 --> 02:25:22,640
experiencers had been given information

3220
02:25:27,510 --> 02:25:24,640
as well i know

3221
02:25:30,790 --> 02:25:27,520
that i was given information that i

3222
02:25:32,870 --> 02:25:30,800
never spoke of because i wasn't going to

3223
02:25:35,110 --> 02:25:32,880
speak without having confirmation that

3224
02:25:37,510 --> 02:25:35,120
other people had received that and what

3225
02:25:38,389 --> 02:25:37,520
do you do what this is what i find so

3226
02:25:41,750 --> 02:25:38,399
interesting

3227
02:25:43,750 --> 02:25:41,760
kathleen what do you do when you start

3228
02:25:46,309 --> 02:25:43,760
connecting the dots

3229
02:25:48,070 --> 02:25:46,319
yourself right you've got your other

3230
02:25:50,389 --> 02:25:48,080
experiences that you're talking to

3231
02:25:52,710 --> 02:25:50,399
you're sitting on this paperwork you're

3232
02:25:54,950 --> 02:25:52,720
starting to understand but things that

3233
02:25:56,630 --> 02:25:54,960
only you know

3234
02:26:00,070 --> 02:25:56,640
you haven't shared

3235
02:26:02,630 --> 02:26:00,080
and suddenly it's starting to uh show up

3236
02:26:05,429 --> 02:26:02,640
in front of you from different sources

3237
02:26:06,389 --> 02:26:05,439
uh what do you do with that uh inside of

3238
02:26:08,870 --> 02:26:06,399
yourself

3239
02:26:11,270 --> 02:26:08,880
is it vindication are you relieved or

3240
02:26:13,190 --> 02:26:11,280
does it scare the crap out of you

3241
02:26:15,270 --> 02:26:13,200
it didn't scare the crap out of me at

3242
02:26:18,389 --> 02:26:15,280
all it it

3243
02:26:20,870 --> 02:26:18,399
gave me a much better understanding

3244
02:26:21,830 --> 02:26:20,880
of what is going on what this is all

3245
02:26:23,429 --> 02:26:21,840
about

3246
02:26:25,270 --> 02:26:23,439
and uh

3247
02:26:29,110 --> 02:26:25,280
i was you know even though i was sitting

3248
02:26:30,230 --> 02:26:29,120
on it i was i was working on three major

3249
02:26:32,710 --> 02:26:30,240
studies

3250
02:26:33,590 --> 02:26:32,720
for commonalities that experience or

3251
02:26:37,670 --> 02:26:33,600
share

3252
02:26:39,910 --> 02:26:37,680
and they had open-ended questions

3253
02:26:42,469 --> 02:26:39,920
did you receive any messages from these

3254
02:26:46,230 --> 02:26:42,479
ets did they communicate with you at all

3255
02:26:49,830 --> 02:26:46,240
if so what did you learn and we learned

3256
02:26:51,190 --> 02:26:49,840
a great deal in those studies and the

3257
02:26:54,870 --> 02:26:51,200
messages

3258
02:26:57,750 --> 02:26:54,880
were the same as francis swann was

3259
02:27:00,790 --> 02:26:57,760
giving back in 1954

3260
02:27:04,790 --> 02:27:00,800
and then i had the opportunity

3261
02:27:06,070 --> 02:27:04,800
to meet a man in florida

3262
02:27:08,950 --> 02:27:06,080
um and

3263
02:27:11,349 --> 02:27:08,960
i was at the mufon symposium it was in

3264
02:27:14,389 --> 02:27:11,359
2000 and

3265
02:27:17,670 --> 02:27:14,399
now i think it was 2016

3266
02:27:20,150 --> 02:27:17,680
in orlando and

3267
02:27:21,270 --> 02:27:20,160
he had gone there because the ets had

3268
02:27:23,750 --> 02:27:21,280
told him

3269
02:27:25,429 --> 02:27:23,760
to go to that conference he said he had

3270
02:27:27,830 --> 02:27:25,439
to pay a lot of money

3271
02:27:31,429 --> 02:27:27,840
in order to do what they told him to do

3272
02:27:35,270 --> 02:27:31,439
but he had been communicating he said

3273
02:27:39,429 --> 02:27:35,280
with them since he was eight years old

3274
02:27:42,150 --> 02:27:39,439
and now he here he was he had been

3275
02:27:45,030 --> 02:27:42,160
in the a police officer in england

3276
02:27:48,150 --> 02:27:45,040
that's where he was from he had moved to

3277
02:27:50,710 --> 02:27:48,160
the united states he was a real estate

3278
02:27:54,150 --> 02:27:50,720
agent he happened to live in the same

3279
02:27:57,429 --> 02:27:54,160
town that i live in but we didn't know

3280
02:27:58,950 --> 02:27:57,439
one another that's pretty strange to to

3281
02:28:00,710 --> 02:27:58,960
find this out

3282
02:28:03,110 --> 02:28:00,720
his wife had

3283
02:28:05,750 --> 02:28:03,120
worked in the psychology department at

3284
02:28:08,070 --> 02:28:05,760
the university she was a researcher she

3285
02:28:12,070 --> 02:28:08,080
had a an important position

3286
02:28:13,510 --> 02:28:12,080
very a grounded very left-brained woman

3287
02:28:15,510 --> 02:28:13,520
nice woman

3288
02:28:17,830 --> 02:28:15,520
and

3289
02:28:25,349 --> 02:28:22,150
said to us he met us for for lunch

3290
02:28:26,550 --> 02:28:25,359
two of my friends and myself one is dr

3291
02:28:27,990 --> 02:28:26,560
melanie

3292
02:28:30,630 --> 02:28:28,000
barton bragg

3293
02:28:31,750 --> 02:28:30,640
the other is denise stoner

3294
02:28:33,270 --> 02:28:31,760
and

3295
02:28:34,870 --> 02:28:33,280
he said

3296
02:28:36,710 --> 02:28:34,880
would you like to

3297
02:28:38,870 --> 02:28:36,720
meet with me

3298
02:28:42,230 --> 02:28:38,880
and the council

3299
02:28:43,590 --> 02:28:42,240
and we thought about it i it was sort of

3300
02:28:46,389 --> 02:28:43,600
intriguing

3301
02:28:49,750 --> 02:28:46,399
especially because of what uh

3302
02:28:51,670 --> 02:28:49,760
admiral knowles and wilbert smith did

3303
02:28:53,670 --> 02:28:51,680
and and i knew about the government

3304
02:28:54,469 --> 02:28:53,680
involvement at that time and i thought

3305
02:28:56,710 --> 02:28:54,479
well

3306
02:28:58,150 --> 02:28:56,720
you know he could be

3307
02:29:01,750 --> 02:28:58,160
delusional

3308
02:29:03,429 --> 02:29:01,760
he could be mentally ill he could be

3309
02:29:06,150 --> 02:29:03,439
hoaxing this

3310
02:29:10,550 --> 02:29:06,160
i don't know what he is

3311
02:29:14,150 --> 02:29:10,560
but let's see if we can uh meet with him

3312
02:29:16,710 --> 02:29:14,160
and and kind of get an opinion

3313
02:29:18,870 --> 02:29:16,720
on whether this is for real

3314
02:29:19,750 --> 02:29:18,880
and we met with him

3315
02:29:23,110 --> 02:29:19,760
one

3316
02:29:24,469 --> 02:29:23,120
weekend every month for a period of two

3317
02:29:27,670 --> 02:29:24,479
years

3318
02:29:30,230 --> 02:29:27,680
we expanded the group over time

3319
02:29:33,349 --> 02:29:30,240
we were allowed to ask questions we

3320
02:29:34,830 --> 02:29:33,359
brought in our scientific equipment

3321
02:29:42,950 --> 02:29:34,840
we

3322
02:29:43,830 --> 02:29:42,960
to show that this was real

3323
02:29:48,870 --> 02:29:43,840
and

3324
02:29:52,469 --> 02:29:48,880
we learned to communicate telepathically

3325
02:29:53,270 --> 02:29:52,479
with one of these entities

3326
02:29:55,670 --> 02:29:53,280
and

3327
02:29:56,670 --> 02:29:55,680
so that is what the rest of the book is

3328
02:30:00,710 --> 02:29:56,680
about

3329
02:30:01,750 --> 02:30:00,720
120 questions that we asked this council

3330
02:30:03,590 --> 02:30:01,760
of

3331
02:30:06,550 --> 02:30:03,600
alleged ets

3332
02:30:09,670 --> 02:30:06,560
and what the answers were okay

3333
02:30:12,150 --> 02:30:09,680
now this is where i am going to say

3334
02:30:15,349 --> 02:30:12,160
we're not going to end this show now i

3335
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:15,359
need to keep you for another 20 minutes

3336
02:30:23,270 --> 02:30:19,280
and we are going to i the audience uh

3337
02:30:26,389 --> 02:30:23,280
would absolutely uh uh be angry with the

3338
02:30:28,309 --> 02:30:26,399
two of us if we just said good night so

3339
02:30:30,550 --> 02:30:28,319
can i keep you for another 20 minutes

3340
02:30:32,950 --> 02:30:30,560
after this break yes you can keep me a

3341
02:30:35,110 --> 02:30:32,960
little while long you're the best

3342
02:30:37,270 --> 02:30:35,120
kathleen martin is with us we're going

3343
02:30:40,550 --> 02:30:37,280
to take a quick break the new book is

3344
02:30:42,230 --> 02:30:40,560
out it is called forbidden knowledge got

3345
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3348
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3349
02:30:53,990 --> 02:30:51,760
after this short break i'm your host

3350
02:30:56,390 --> 02:30:54,000
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3351
02:31:19,510 --> 02:30:56,400
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3352
02:31:23,190 --> 02:31:21,670
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3354
02:31:33,429 --> 02:31:30,550
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3355
02:31:37,670 --> 02:31:33,439
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3356
02:31:48,309 --> 02:31:40,230
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3357
02:31:52,870 --> 02:31:50,790
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3362
02:32:04,710 --> 02:32:02,160
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3363
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3364
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3365
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3366
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3367
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3369
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beings they considered their gods the

3370
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3371
02:32:25,429 --> 02:32:22,720
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3372
02:32:27,270 --> 02:32:25,439
from and why they are here to understand

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3451
02:36:25,270 --> 02:36:23,280
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3452
02:36:27,290 --> 02:36:25,280
jimmy church tonight kathleen martin is

3453
02:36:29,030 --> 02:36:27,300
with us and i'm that cliffhanger

3454
02:36:30,550 --> 02:36:29,040
[Music]

3455
02:36:32,309 --> 02:36:30,560
right before the

3456
02:36:34,309 --> 02:36:32,319
and uh

3457
02:36:37,349 --> 02:36:34,319
uh here's the thing

3458
02:36:39,429 --> 02:36:37,359
when we get to overtime and and and

3459
02:36:41,750 --> 02:36:39,439
we're blessed with this moment uh

3460
02:36:43,910 --> 02:36:41,760
kathleen i'd like to usually

3461
02:36:45,750 --> 02:36:43,920
uh just loosen things up a little bit

3462
02:36:48,230 --> 02:36:45,760
and have a little bit of fun

3463
02:36:49,190 --> 02:36:48,240
uh but when you say

3464
02:36:51,830 --> 02:36:49,200
uh

3465
02:36:53,830 --> 02:36:51,840
two years hanging out with the council

3466
02:36:56,469 --> 02:36:53,840
uh we gotta stop right there we gotta

3467
02:37:00,630 --> 02:36:56,479
bump the brakes and just say what what

3468
02:37:02,630 --> 02:37:00,640
what now um uh before before we move

3469
02:37:05,030 --> 02:37:02,640
forward with this and again it's the

3470
02:37:06,550 --> 02:37:05,040
second half of the book um everybody so

3471
02:37:07,590 --> 02:37:06,560
there's a lot there

3472
02:37:09,750 --> 02:37:07,600
um

3473
02:37:12,309 --> 02:37:09,760
uh but is this

3474
02:37:15,670 --> 02:37:12,319
is everybody's asking the same question

3475
02:37:16,710 --> 02:37:15,680
is this the council of nine is this what

3476
02:37:18,790 --> 02:37:16,720
was

3477
02:37:21,590 --> 02:37:18,800
uh you know through all the mediumship

3478
02:37:24,070 --> 02:37:21,600
uh that happened in the past is this

3479
02:37:26,630 --> 02:37:24,080
that council or something are we talking

3480
02:37:28,790 --> 02:37:26,640
about something completely different

3481
02:37:31,590 --> 02:37:28,800
they call themselves the council of

3482
02:37:33,830 --> 02:37:31,600
eight right there are two

3483
02:37:36,230 --> 02:37:33,840
very tall human

3484
02:37:39,590 --> 02:37:36,240
looking members of the council they

3485
02:37:41,830 --> 02:37:39,600
appeared to kevin briggs the first time

3486
02:37:43,030 --> 02:37:41,840
when he was an eight-year-old boy in the

3487
02:37:45,670 --> 02:37:43,040
bathtub

3488
02:37:46,870 --> 02:37:45,680
and they suddenly materialized in the

3489
02:37:47,830 --> 02:37:46,880
bathroom

3490
02:37:50,950 --> 02:37:47,840
and

3491
02:37:54,550 --> 02:37:50,960
the man who he calls ort

3492
02:37:57,190 --> 02:37:54,560
came back a year later as an orb

3493
02:37:59,910 --> 02:37:57,200
and was behind his curtain for a week

3494
02:38:02,630 --> 02:37:59,920
but came out and taught him how to

3495
02:38:04,710 --> 02:38:02,640
astral travel

3496
02:38:07,270 --> 02:38:04,720
and

3497
02:38:10,870 --> 02:38:07,280
there's a lot more in the book but

3498
02:38:14,550 --> 02:38:10,880
getting back to what we did with kevin

3499
02:38:17,750 --> 02:38:14,560
um there's ort there's d who is his

3500
02:38:19,030 --> 02:38:17,760
female partner the the tall humans

3501
02:38:23,590 --> 02:38:19,040
orla

3502
02:38:26,870 --> 02:38:23,600
who is a tall white arna who is a blue

3503
02:38:28,630 --> 02:38:26,880
avian chica who is

3504
02:38:30,150 --> 02:38:28,640
um a

3505
02:38:33,190 --> 02:38:30,160
mantis

3506
02:38:37,190 --> 02:38:33,200
type we have with a big smile he he's a

3507
02:38:39,910 --> 02:38:39,030
then there is

3508
02:38:52,630 --> 02:38:39,920
a

3509
02:38:53,830 --> 02:38:52,640
during this time

3510
02:38:56,870 --> 02:38:53,840
and he

3511
02:38:58,389 --> 02:38:56,880
actually came to me in my office i

3512
02:39:01,429 --> 02:38:58,399
couldn't see him

3513
02:39:04,150 --> 02:39:01,439
but i could feel the very strong

3514
02:39:05,830 --> 02:39:04,160
electrical energy coming from

3515
02:39:08,389 --> 02:39:05,840
his presence

3516
02:39:11,110 --> 02:39:08,399
and could communicate telepathically i

3517
02:39:13,190 --> 02:39:11,120
learned to do that

3518
02:39:16,070 --> 02:39:13,200
don't ask me to do it now because i am

3519
02:39:19,429 --> 02:39:16,080
out of practice but uh it was pretty

3520
02:39:23,349 --> 02:39:19,439
amazing and then they are here they said

3521
02:39:25,030 --> 02:39:23,359
uh to overlook this quadrant of our

3522
02:39:25,990 --> 02:39:25,040
galaxy

3523
02:39:30,550 --> 02:39:26,000
and

3524
02:39:31,429 --> 02:39:30,560
council

3525
02:39:33,590 --> 02:39:31,439
is

3526
02:39:35,990 --> 02:39:33,600
a ninth dimensional

3527
02:39:38,150 --> 02:39:36,000
entity which means that he no longer has

3528
02:39:40,950 --> 02:39:38,160
a body the others are fifth and sixth

3529
02:39:42,550 --> 02:39:40,960
dimensionals the ninth dimensional

3530
02:39:43,830 --> 02:39:42,560
overseer

3531
02:39:45,270 --> 02:39:43,840
um

3532
02:39:48,630 --> 02:39:45,280
said that he

3533
02:39:52,630 --> 02:39:48,640
the last time he he lived here on earth

3534
02:39:54,710 --> 02:39:52,640
was in in egypt

3535
02:39:57,030 --> 02:39:54,720
and his name is raw by the way but he

3536
02:39:59,190 --> 02:39:57,040
says that he's not the sun god

3537
02:40:01,349 --> 02:39:59,200
ra okay okay

3538
02:40:04,389 --> 02:40:01,359
now uh

3539
02:40:08,230 --> 02:40:04,399
let's let's back up let's go to

3540
02:40:10,230 --> 02:40:08,240
uh the first uh session

3541
02:40:11,830 --> 02:40:10,240
uh i'm just gonna call it session you

3542
02:40:15,830 --> 02:40:11,840
know you guys get together for the first

3543
02:40:18,790 --> 02:40:15,840
time you really you've been told what uh

3544
02:40:21,269 --> 02:40:18,800
you can possibly expect but what were

3545
02:40:23,030 --> 02:40:21,279
you thinking um at the time were you

3546
02:40:24,070 --> 02:40:23,040
like oh come on

3547
02:40:27,590 --> 02:40:24,080
or

3548
02:40:30,150 --> 02:40:27,600
you're right yes i was oh come on i was

3549
02:40:33,269 --> 02:40:30,160
i was very apprehensive about even

3550
02:40:36,389 --> 02:40:33,279
taking part in this experiment right and

3551
02:40:38,309 --> 02:40:36,399
uh but i thought oh well i'll just do

3552
02:40:40,710 --> 02:40:38,319
this secretly i'll never tell anybody

3553
02:40:42,950 --> 02:40:40,720
about it because if i do it's going to

3554
02:40:46,830 --> 02:40:42,960
destroy my reputation that's a good way

3555
02:40:51,190 --> 02:40:46,840
to scientific that's a good approach

3556
02:40:54,550 --> 02:40:51,200
absolutely absolutely and so i uh denise

3557
02:40:57,030 --> 02:40:54,560
and i talked about it denise stoner and

3558
02:40:59,670 --> 02:40:57,040
we thought well we're going to take

3559
02:41:00,950 --> 02:40:59,680
equipment and we'll set up equipment

3560
02:41:04,070 --> 02:41:00,960
uh to see

3561
02:41:06,469 --> 02:41:04,080
if we there are any changes

3562
02:41:08,630 --> 02:41:06,479
and so i don't know if it was the first

3563
02:41:09,590 --> 02:41:08,640
session or the second session

3564
02:41:12,870 --> 02:41:09,600
but

3565
02:41:16,469 --> 02:41:12,880
we were introduced to the council of

3566
02:41:19,030 --> 02:41:16,479
eight to each member and each member

3567
02:41:21,030 --> 02:41:19,040
although we couldn't see them

3568
02:41:25,110 --> 02:41:21,040
spoke to us

3569
02:41:28,710 --> 02:41:25,120
and when they came in one at a time

3570
02:41:30,950 --> 02:41:28,720
the temperature in that part of the room

3571
02:41:32,389 --> 02:41:30,960
where they were standing

3572
02:41:35,830 --> 02:41:32,399
uh

3573
02:41:39,110 --> 02:41:35,840
increased by about five degrees we had a

3574
02:41:42,389 --> 02:41:39,120
laser thermometer to measure that

3575
02:41:46,230 --> 02:41:42,399
now when ra finally came with his big

3576
02:41:48,150 --> 02:41:46,240
booming voice through kevin

3577
02:41:49,590 --> 02:41:48,160
the temperature

3578
02:41:54,550 --> 02:41:49,600
went up eight

3579
02:41:59,910 --> 02:41:56,790
just incredible

3580
02:42:03,030 --> 02:41:59,920
and and we felt this

3581
02:42:06,150 --> 02:42:03,040
intense tingling sensation through our

3582
02:42:09,750 --> 02:42:06,160
bodies everyone in the room felt that

3583
02:42:12,389 --> 02:42:09,760
now at what point uh do i mean there's a

3584
02:42:13,190 --> 02:42:12,399
lot of questions uh that that are in the

3585
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:13,200
book

3586
02:42:16,389 --> 02:42:14,640
um

3587
02:42:19,429 --> 02:42:16,399
we'll get to maybe one or two of those

3588
02:42:21,830 --> 02:42:19,439
and uh before the end of the show but

3589
02:42:24,389 --> 02:42:21,840
at what at what point

3590
02:42:27,190 --> 02:42:24,399
do you turn the page in this where you

3591
02:42:30,389 --> 02:42:27,200
go from oh come on

3592
02:42:36,710 --> 02:42:34,150
oh it's it was sort of up and down

3593
02:42:37,990 --> 02:42:36,720
because the first thing that they wanted

3594
02:42:41,429 --> 02:42:38,000
to do

3595
02:42:44,389 --> 02:42:41,439
is to show us a craft

3596
02:42:45,349 --> 02:42:44,399
and to come and speak with us

3597
02:42:48,150 --> 02:42:45,359
and

3598
02:42:49,429 --> 02:42:48,160
i was third in line for that

3599
02:42:54,070 --> 02:42:49,439
melanie

3600
02:42:57,429 --> 02:42:54,080
saw the craft so a big light in the sky

3601
02:43:00,710 --> 02:42:57,439
it communicated with her

3602
02:43:03,190 --> 02:43:00,720
denise saw a light in the sky but she

3603
02:43:05,590 --> 02:43:03,200
wasn't entirely certain

3604
02:43:07,910 --> 02:43:05,600
hers wasn't as successful

3605
02:43:10,230 --> 02:43:07,920
and so they went out at night i didn't

3606
02:43:11,030 --> 02:43:10,240
want to stay up late at night so i said

3607
02:43:12,790 --> 02:43:11,040
well

3608
02:43:15,830 --> 02:43:12,800
i like to get up early in the morning

3609
02:43:19,030 --> 02:43:15,840
come to me at 5 00 a.m

3610
02:43:20,469 --> 02:43:19,040
and so i was sitting out in the dark on

3611
02:43:22,790 --> 02:43:20,479
my deck

3612
02:43:24,790 --> 02:43:22,800
looking over the lake i wanted them to

3613
02:43:26,950 --> 02:43:24,800
come in and show me the craft over the

3614
02:43:30,950 --> 02:43:26,960
lake and suddenly

3615
02:43:33,990 --> 02:43:30,960
i felt zark's presence that very strong

3616
02:43:37,429 --> 02:43:34,000
electrical tingling through my body

3617
02:43:40,630 --> 02:43:37,439
and so i knew he was there and i looked

3618
02:43:41,510 --> 02:43:40,640
out on the lake and there was a

3619
02:43:45,190 --> 02:43:41,520
big

3620
02:43:48,309 --> 02:43:45,200
whirling circle of water

3621
02:43:50,710 --> 02:43:48,319
and i was waiting for a craft to rise up

3622
02:43:52,469 --> 02:43:50,720
out of the lake and it didn't

3623
02:43:54,309 --> 02:43:52,479
and then i thought

3624
02:43:57,349 --> 02:43:54,319
is it cloaked

3625
02:43:59,910 --> 02:43:57,359
is it invisible but it's causing the

3626
02:44:01,349 --> 02:43:59,920
water to whirl

3627
02:44:03,990 --> 02:44:01,359
and

3628
02:44:05,110 --> 02:44:04,000
i didn't know the answer to that

3629
02:44:07,590 --> 02:44:05,120
question

3630
02:44:10,550 --> 02:44:07,600
and so i i ended up

3631
02:44:12,389 --> 02:44:10,560
going to kevin and i said kevin the next

3632
02:44:15,349 --> 02:44:12,399
time because he can talk to zarc any

3633
02:44:18,550 --> 02:44:15,359
time i said ask zark

3634
02:44:19,670 --> 02:44:18,560
if that was a craft that was doing this

3635
02:44:24,630 --> 02:44:19,680
and

3636
02:44:27,590 --> 02:44:24,640
craft it was zark zark said it was

3637
02:44:29,670 --> 02:44:27,600
probably his energy he has a tremendous

3638
02:44:31,750 --> 02:44:29,680
amount of energy

3639
02:44:35,269 --> 02:44:31,760
and it was the energy over the lake that

3640
02:44:37,750 --> 02:44:35,279
was causing his energy causing that

3641
02:44:41,510 --> 02:44:37,760
when uh this communication because

3642
02:44:42,309 --> 02:44:41,520
you're saying booming voice and and and

3643
02:44:44,830 --> 02:44:42,319
uh

3644
02:44:46,630 --> 02:44:44,840
you know this communication is is now

3645
02:44:48,950 --> 02:44:46,640
happening

3646
02:44:50,469 --> 02:44:48,960
when you say that was this all

3647
02:44:52,550 --> 02:44:50,479
telepathic

3648
02:44:53,510 --> 02:44:52,560
or was it through

3649
02:44:56,950 --> 02:44:53,520
um

3650
02:44:59,269 --> 02:44:56,960
somebody else at at the session

3651
02:45:01,110 --> 02:44:59,279
uh when we were with kevin it was

3652
02:45:03,590 --> 02:45:01,120
through kevin right but

3653
02:45:06,550 --> 02:45:03,600
when i was sitting in my office and they

3654
02:45:10,469 --> 02:45:06,560
came it wasn't kevin wasn't here

3655
02:45:13,349 --> 02:45:10,479
it was me and it was zark who wanted to

3656
02:45:14,630 --> 02:45:13,359
communicate with me and i was i was very

3657
02:45:17,269 --> 02:45:14,640
frightened

3658
02:45:19,670 --> 02:45:17,279
because i've talked to people about uh

3659
02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:19,680
negative entities lower vibrating

3660
02:45:24,790 --> 02:45:22,000
entities how did i know that this wasn't

3661
02:45:27,990 --> 02:45:24,800
a demon right for example how

3662
02:45:29,950 --> 02:45:28,000
would i let this get close to me and i

3663
02:45:32,710 --> 02:45:29,960
was always

3664
02:45:35,510 --> 02:45:32,720
extraordinarily apprehensive

3665
02:45:38,150 --> 02:45:35,520
about this and and you know a little

3666
02:45:42,710 --> 02:45:38,160
frightened of it as well

3667
02:45:43,990 --> 02:45:42,720
so i i became less frightened as time

3668
02:45:46,150 --> 02:45:44,000
passed

3669
02:45:48,550 --> 02:45:46,160
you know now this was going on starting

3670
02:45:50,150 --> 02:45:48,560
in 2016

3671
02:45:53,349 --> 02:45:50,160
and we still

3672
02:45:56,230 --> 02:45:53,359
meet two to three times a year

3673
02:46:00,150 --> 02:45:56,240
to talk with the council as well so you

3674
02:46:03,269 --> 02:46:00,160
know i i grew more comfortable as time

3675
02:46:05,990 --> 02:46:03,279
passed and i learned more about it now

3676
02:46:09,349 --> 02:46:06,000
what what kind of homework do you do

3677
02:46:12,230 --> 02:46:09,359
you know compiling questions and and you

3678
02:46:14,230 --> 02:46:12,240
know this exciting opportunity to

3679
02:46:15,750 --> 02:46:14,240
to not only ask questions but hopefully

3680
02:46:17,670 --> 02:46:15,760
get some answers

3681
02:46:19,750 --> 02:46:17,680
uh what kind of questions were you

3682
02:46:22,309 --> 02:46:19,760
putting together

3683
02:46:24,950 --> 02:46:22,319
well initially there were all of those

3684
02:46:27,750 --> 02:46:24,960
questions about why

3685
02:46:30,070 --> 02:46:27,760
for how long

3686
02:46:33,230 --> 02:46:30,080
what are your main concerns

3687
02:46:36,070 --> 02:46:33,240
with us who are you are you really

3688
02:46:38,550 --> 02:46:36,080
extraterrestrials i really

3689
02:46:41,030 --> 02:46:38,560
probably went a little overboard on that

3690
02:46:42,630 --> 02:46:41,040
just pounding at that question because

3691
02:46:44,790 --> 02:46:42,640
they'd always say

3692
02:46:47,990 --> 02:46:44,800
well extraterrestrials

3693
02:46:50,070 --> 02:46:48,000
to you but not to ourselves

3694
02:46:51,590 --> 02:46:50,080
so i was going well what do they mean

3695
02:46:55,269 --> 02:46:51,600
now they playful

3696
02:46:56,910 --> 02:46:55,279
human and um spirits who are doing this

3697
02:46:59,990 --> 02:46:56,920
are these uh some kind of

3698
02:47:02,870 --> 02:47:00,000
interdimensionals who live here are or

3699
02:47:05,670 --> 02:47:02,880
are they truly extraterrestrials

3700
02:47:07,750 --> 02:47:05,680
and you know so it was always a lot of

3701
02:47:16,389 --> 02:47:07,760
questions

3702
02:47:20,230 --> 02:47:16,399
down as time went on

3703
02:47:22,870 --> 02:47:20,240
and asked some very specific questions

3704
02:47:25,269 --> 02:47:22,880
were you getting direct answers

3705
02:47:26,550 --> 02:47:25,279
yes you weren't getting you know well

3706
02:47:29,269 --> 02:47:26,560
you know

3707
02:47:31,590 --> 02:47:29,279
to go up you must first go down

3708
02:47:33,910 --> 02:47:31,600
you know you know those kind you

3709
02:47:37,670 --> 02:47:33,920
not those kind of answers we were

3710
02:47:40,070 --> 02:47:37,680
getting direct answers okay um so give

3711
02:47:43,510 --> 02:47:40,080
me an example of uh

3712
02:47:46,309 --> 02:47:43,520
of uh of a direct question on point and

3713
02:47:47,590 --> 02:47:46,319
a direct answer

3714
02:47:48,389 --> 02:47:47,600
okay

3715
02:47:49,910 --> 02:47:48,399
why

3716
02:47:51,349 --> 02:47:49,920
are you here

3717
02:47:55,030 --> 02:47:51,359
that's a direction

3718
02:47:56,230 --> 02:47:55,040
yeah what do you want with us on this

3719
02:47:58,630 --> 02:47:56,240
planet

3720
02:48:00,950 --> 02:47:58,640
and they said

3721
02:48:03,110 --> 02:48:00,960
the same thing they told francis swann

3722
02:48:05,670 --> 02:48:03,120
that had never been published

3723
02:48:09,510 --> 02:48:05,680
we're here to guide you

3724
02:48:12,469 --> 02:48:09,520
and assist in your development

3725
02:48:15,750 --> 02:48:12,479
we've been here for a very long time and

3726
02:48:17,670 --> 02:48:15,760
we come back from time to time to assist

3727
02:48:19,990 --> 02:48:17,680
in your development

3728
02:48:21,990 --> 02:48:20,000
well why do you want to assist in our

3729
02:48:23,990 --> 02:48:22,000
development what are you doing and you

3730
02:48:25,349 --> 02:48:24,000
know this got into the questions about

3731
02:48:27,429 --> 02:48:25,359
hybrids and

3732
02:48:30,070 --> 02:48:27,439
and that sort of thing as well

3733
02:48:32,469 --> 02:48:30,080
this reproductive program but i'm that's

3734
02:48:34,230 --> 02:48:32,479
all in the book but

3735
02:48:37,269 --> 02:48:34,240
um

3736
02:48:41,269 --> 02:48:38,790
why wha

3737
02:48:43,110 --> 02:48:41,279
why are you so interested in us and and

3738
02:48:44,389 --> 02:48:43,120
the answer was

3739
02:48:47,429 --> 02:48:44,399
because you're

3740
02:48:49,670 --> 02:48:47,439
in a position where right now in your

3741
02:48:51,110 --> 02:48:49,680
point in history where you can destroy

3742
02:48:53,030 --> 02:48:51,120
yourselves

3743
02:48:55,190 --> 02:48:53,040
you've done it before

3744
02:48:57,590 --> 02:48:55,200
and we're not going to let it happen

3745
02:49:01,190 --> 02:48:57,600
this time

3746
02:49:04,630 --> 02:49:01,200
that's why and uh did you ask him about

3747
02:49:07,990 --> 02:49:04,640
uh betty and barney

3748
02:49:09,269 --> 02:49:08,000
i asked about why i was taken and

3749
02:49:10,950 --> 02:49:09,279
and why

3750
02:49:13,349 --> 02:49:10,960
why it was

3751
02:49:15,830 --> 02:49:13,359
they took us along this these genetic

3752
02:49:18,150 --> 02:49:15,840
lines did they know about did they know

3753
02:49:20,309 --> 02:49:18,160
about you

3754
02:49:23,269 --> 02:49:20,319
um i don't think that they

3755
02:49:25,110 --> 02:49:23,279
actually knew about me it didn't seem

3756
02:49:27,510 --> 02:49:25,120
that way when i was first introduced

3757
02:49:30,630 --> 02:49:27,520
they just zark wanted to meet with me

3758
02:49:31,670 --> 02:49:30,640
because he said i had a keen scientific

3759
02:49:33,590 --> 02:49:31,680
mind

3760
02:49:35,510 --> 02:49:33,600
and he's a scientist

3761
02:49:38,150 --> 02:49:35,520
he gave me some very interesting

3762
02:49:41,030 --> 02:49:38,160
information that's in the book

3763
02:49:44,070 --> 02:49:41,040
but also oh no go ahead no i i'm not

3764
02:49:46,550 --> 02:49:44,080
gonna interrupt kathleen martin

3765
02:49:49,670 --> 02:49:46,560
ain't gonna happen

3766
02:49:56,070 --> 02:49:52,710
they are also very

3767
02:49:57,670 --> 02:49:56,080
involved in in our environmental

3768
02:50:00,150 --> 02:49:57,680
destruction

3769
02:50:02,790 --> 02:50:00,160
they want to move us ahead on an

3770
02:50:05,670 --> 02:50:02,800
evolutionary scale and the reason that

3771
02:50:08,389 --> 02:50:05,680
they take people along generational

3772
02:50:11,190 --> 02:50:08,399
lines is so that they can observe

3773
02:50:13,190 --> 02:50:11,200
the changes generationally in the same

3774
02:50:16,309 --> 02:50:13,200
gene pool

3775
02:50:20,830 --> 02:50:16,319
the um uh the description

3776
02:50:24,150 --> 02:50:20,840
uh the descriptions you gave of of them

3777
02:50:26,950 --> 02:50:24,160
individually um is this how

3778
02:50:29,750 --> 02:50:26,960
did you see them how did

3779
02:50:32,870 --> 02:50:29,760
or was this a description of them that

3780
02:50:36,870 --> 02:50:32,880
they gave to you

3781
02:50:38,630 --> 02:50:36,880
i saw some of them in my mind's eye but

3782
02:50:41,349 --> 02:50:38,640
not

3783
02:50:43,030 --> 02:50:41,359
physical in front of me

3784
02:50:45,510 --> 02:50:43,040
that was one thing that was really

3785
02:50:47,990 --> 02:50:45,520
disappointing right i wanted to see them

3786
02:50:49,269 --> 02:50:48,000
physically sure they told me

3787
02:50:51,910 --> 02:50:49,279
when i

3788
02:50:54,150 --> 02:50:51,920
and the rest of us when we elevated our

3789
02:50:55,590 --> 02:50:54,160
vibrational frequency

3790
02:50:59,269 --> 02:50:55,600
to the point

3791
02:51:02,070 --> 02:50:59,279
where ours was much closer to theirs

3792
02:51:03,030 --> 02:51:02,080
then we would be able to see them

3793
02:51:05,590 --> 02:51:03,040
but

3794
02:51:08,389 --> 02:51:05,600
they they were not ready to show

3795
02:51:09,830 --> 02:51:08,399
themselves to us although they showed us

3796
02:51:11,510 --> 02:51:09,840
craft

3797
02:51:12,790 --> 02:51:11,520
and

3798
02:51:14,790 --> 02:51:12,800
um

3799
02:51:15,750 --> 02:51:14,800
you know so

3800
02:51:16,830 --> 02:51:15,760
still

3801
02:51:20,389 --> 02:51:16,840
i have

3802
02:51:21,670 --> 02:51:20,399
questions and i don't have the answers

3803
02:51:25,349 --> 02:51:21,680
but

3804
02:51:26,710 --> 02:51:25,359
i i felt that what i learned is so

3805
02:51:27,950 --> 02:51:26,720
significant

3806
02:51:30,469 --> 02:51:27,960
i know

3807
02:51:33,590 --> 02:51:30,479
scientifically that something

3808
02:51:37,830 --> 02:51:33,600
was occurring something was happening it

3809
02:51:39,990 --> 02:51:37,840
was measurable it was repeatable

3810
02:51:42,870 --> 02:51:40,000
and we had

3811
02:51:45,590 --> 02:51:42,880
a couple of skeptics on the team later

3812
02:51:47,190 --> 02:51:45,600
on as well so you'll read all about that

3813
02:51:50,790 --> 02:51:47,200
in their questions

3814
02:51:52,469 --> 02:51:50,800
and uh what they experienced

3815
02:51:55,030 --> 02:51:52,479
did you say to them

3816
02:51:57,269 --> 02:51:55,040
i'm 58 okay

3817
02:52:00,070 --> 02:51:57,279
now i'm not old i'm not young but i am

3818
02:52:01,429 --> 02:52:00,080
58. okay so i'm on the other side of

3819
02:52:04,150 --> 02:52:01,439
being young

3820
02:52:06,389 --> 02:52:04,160
but uh my i would

3821
02:52:07,830 --> 02:52:06,399
my thing would be look i i don't have

3822
02:52:11,030 --> 02:52:07,840
the time

3823
02:52:14,070 --> 02:52:11,040
to raise my vibration right

3824
02:52:17,110 --> 02:52:14,080
i i need to see you now

3825
02:52:20,469 --> 02:52:17,120
and did you express that point of view

3826
02:52:23,190 --> 02:52:20,479
absolutely we did and

3827
02:52:24,710 --> 02:52:23,200
melanie in fact became pretty frustrated

3828
02:52:27,349 --> 02:52:24,720
and angry

3829
02:52:29,510 --> 02:52:27,359
over the fact that we were not seeing

3830
02:52:31,590 --> 02:52:29,520
them that they weren't materializing in

3831
02:52:33,990 --> 02:52:31,600
front of us we could see orbs we could

3832
02:52:36,870 --> 02:52:34,000
not see them right

3833
02:52:38,950 --> 02:52:36,880
yeah so uh you know why

3834
02:52:42,790 --> 02:52:38,960
why wouldn't they do this and and they

3835
02:52:46,710 --> 02:52:42,800
said well perhaps we will but not now so

3836
02:52:49,750 --> 02:52:46,720
they made us become very patient

3837
02:52:51,830 --> 02:52:49,760
now this started this started in 2016

3838
02:52:53,990 --> 02:52:51,840
and i do remember you telling me about

3839
02:52:55,830 --> 02:52:54,000
you sitting in your office and

3840
02:53:00,870 --> 02:52:55,840
and and the contact that you had made

3841
02:53:03,429 --> 02:53:00,880
then uh 2017 rolls by we now know about

3842
02:53:06,469 --> 02:53:03,439
uh the tic tac and

3843
02:53:07,429 --> 02:53:06,479
the nimitz and the roosevelt incidents

3844
02:53:09,269 --> 02:53:07,439
um

3845
02:53:11,030 --> 02:53:09,279
and you are

3846
02:53:13,510 --> 02:53:11,040
having these sessions with the council

3847
02:53:17,830 --> 02:53:13,520
of eight were you able to ask them about

3848
02:53:23,590 --> 02:53:21,190
um they said that they and others

3849
02:53:25,590 --> 02:53:23,600
were showing their craft

3850
02:53:28,630 --> 02:53:25,600
to us

3851
02:53:30,870 --> 02:53:28,640
they said that there were others who

3852
02:53:34,230 --> 02:53:30,880
were not as conservative you might say

3853
02:53:35,830 --> 02:53:34,240
as as they are who didn't have

3854
02:53:38,550 --> 02:53:35,840
our uh

3855
02:53:39,510 --> 02:53:38,560
the kind of interest in mind that they

3856
02:53:40,630 --> 02:53:39,520
have

3857
02:53:43,510 --> 02:53:40,640
in us

3858
02:53:46,070 --> 02:53:43,520
um who

3859
02:53:48,230 --> 02:53:46,080
were showing their craft much more

3860
02:53:51,429 --> 02:53:48,240
frequently right right

3861
02:53:53,349 --> 02:53:51,439
is uh is the council of eight

3862
02:53:56,630 --> 02:53:53,359
um also communicating with our

3863
02:53:59,349 --> 02:53:56,640
government and other governments

3864
02:54:01,590 --> 02:53:59,359
they're trying to

3865
02:54:03,190 --> 02:54:01,600
uh kevin has taken this to the united

3866
02:54:05,670 --> 02:54:03,200
nations

3867
02:54:07,510 --> 02:54:05,680
and uh asked for a meeting and he was

3868
02:54:09,349 --> 02:54:07,520
ignored

3869
02:54:10,870 --> 02:54:09,359
they're trying

3870
02:54:13,110 --> 02:54:10,880
trying to put something together with

3871
02:54:15,670 --> 02:54:13,120
the united nations

3872
02:54:18,309 --> 02:54:15,680
because it's not just this council there

3873
02:54:19,269 --> 02:54:18,319
are people all over the world who are

3874
02:54:23,030 --> 02:54:19,279
talking

3875
02:54:25,590 --> 02:54:23,040
with et's and councils of ets now now

3876
02:54:30,230 --> 02:54:25,600
where is uh

3877
02:54:31,910 --> 02:54:30,240
where is the council

3878
02:54:33,269 --> 02:54:31,920
do you know where they are

3879
02:54:35,830 --> 02:54:33,279
remember you know we can go back to

3880
02:54:38,630 --> 02:54:35,840
betty's star map right or

3881
02:54:41,429 --> 02:54:38,640
uh these conversations about orion or

3882
02:54:43,750 --> 02:54:41,439
other star constellations out there

3883
02:54:45,349 --> 02:54:43,760
um we know that there are exoplanets

3884
02:54:47,429 --> 02:54:45,359
throughout the milky way and throughout

3885
02:54:50,469 --> 02:54:47,439
the universe right every star's got a

3886
02:54:53,269 --> 02:54:50,479
planet or multiple planets around them

3887
02:54:56,389 --> 02:54:53,279
um is the council

3888
02:54:58,710 --> 02:54:56,399
close to earth are they in a craft in

3889
02:54:59,990 --> 02:54:58,720
orbit around our planet or are they

3890
02:55:01,990 --> 02:55:00,000
communicating

3891
02:55:05,030 --> 02:55:02,000
from something more distant and do you

3892
02:55:08,950 --> 02:55:05,040
know where that location is

3893
02:55:12,070 --> 02:55:08,960
they are pretty much in our solar system

3894
02:55:14,830 --> 02:55:12,080
some of them no longer have planets that

3895
02:55:17,030 --> 02:55:14,840
they live on they're just in very large

3896
02:55:19,110 --> 02:55:17,040
craft and

3897
02:55:22,710 --> 02:55:19,120
some of them do go

3898
02:55:23,830 --> 02:55:22,720
back to planets from time to time

3899
02:55:25,830 --> 02:55:23,840
um

3900
02:55:28,309 --> 02:55:25,840
but yeah they're

3901
02:55:30,950 --> 02:55:28,319
they say they're in our solar system

3902
02:55:33,670 --> 02:55:30,960
is there um again i always go back to

3903
02:55:37,269 --> 02:55:33,680
the word coincidence right um where we

3904
02:55:39,429 --> 02:55:37,279
are right now with disclosure and that

3905
02:55:42,630 --> 02:55:39,439
goes across the scientific community the

3906
02:55:45,269 --> 02:55:42,640
media washington dc our own community

3907
02:55:48,389 --> 02:55:45,279
we know that things are moving forward

3908
02:55:50,230 --> 02:55:48,399
but it is also pretty remarkable that

3909
02:55:51,349 --> 02:55:50,240
you're having these sessions with the

3910
02:55:53,510 --> 02:55:51,359
council

3911
02:55:56,870 --> 02:55:53,520
during this time

3912
02:56:02,389 --> 02:55:59,990
i wouldn't doubt that it's connected uh

3913
02:56:03,190 --> 02:56:02,399
you know all of this i think is

3914
02:56:04,790 --> 02:56:03,200
uh

3915
02:56:07,990 --> 02:56:04,800
in part

3916
02:56:10,469 --> 02:56:08,000
being brought forth because

3917
02:56:13,750 --> 02:56:10,479
there are so many people around the

3918
02:56:16,630 --> 02:56:13,760
world who know that this is real they've

3919
02:56:19,030 --> 02:56:16,640
seen the craft close up they've

3920
02:56:22,710 --> 02:56:19,040
been on the craft they've communicated

3921
02:56:24,469 --> 02:56:22,720
with the non-humans on the craft and

3922
02:56:27,910 --> 02:56:24,479
there was going to come

3923
02:56:31,030 --> 02:56:27,920
a tipping point when more than half the

3924
02:56:33,750 --> 02:56:31,040
world would know from the experiencers

3925
02:56:36,389 --> 02:56:33,760
themselves that this was real and the

3926
02:56:37,910 --> 02:56:36,399
council said that they had gone to the

3927
02:56:40,710 --> 02:56:37,920
heads of state

3928
02:56:42,309 --> 02:56:40,720
in other countries they had tried to

3929
02:56:45,670 --> 02:56:42,319
work this out

3930
02:56:48,550 --> 02:56:45,680
and that no one was interested

3931
02:56:51,830 --> 02:56:48,560
in any assistance from them

3932
02:56:52,950 --> 02:56:51,840
is uh and last question and i i want to

3933
02:56:54,870 --> 02:56:52,960
say

3934
02:56:57,510 --> 02:56:54,880
kathleen you're wonderful this has been

3935
02:56:59,830 --> 02:56:57,520
an amazing conversation tonight

3936
02:57:02,469 --> 02:56:59,840
and and i want to thank you uh not only

3937
02:57:04,070 --> 02:57:02,479
for tonight but uh going into overtime

3938
02:57:05,429 --> 02:57:04,080
and doing this but i wanted to ask you

3939
02:57:08,950 --> 02:57:05,439
this

3940
02:57:11,429 --> 02:57:08,960
in your life's journey um

3941
02:57:14,389 --> 02:57:11,439
were you spiritual

3942
02:57:18,150 --> 02:57:14,399
in the past and and this isn't a yes or

3943
02:57:21,110 --> 02:57:18,160
no question but if you were or weren't

3944
02:57:23,670 --> 02:57:21,120
how has it changed you today

3945
02:57:25,750 --> 02:57:23,680
and are you more spiritual now than you

3946
02:57:28,870 --> 02:57:25,760
were in the past

3947
02:57:31,510 --> 02:57:28,880
in the past i was religious

3948
02:57:33,030 --> 02:57:31,520
as opposed to spiritual

3949
02:57:35,750 --> 02:57:33,040
and i was

3950
02:57:39,590 --> 02:57:35,760
just a left-brained

3951
02:57:43,190 --> 02:57:39,600
scientific that's what i wanted to be

3952
02:57:44,230 --> 02:57:43,200
right i wasn't able to communicate with

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them

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at will until i got over into my right

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brain

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and when i did

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i became much more spiritual

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very spiritual

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uh developed abilities that i'd never

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incredible incredible the book is

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amazing

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and uh i know that when you set off uh

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to to write this

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that the challenge was in front of you

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but uh

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you got it done young lady it's an

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02:58:20,389 --> 02:58:18,960
amazing book and thank you for writing

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it

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and thank you jimmy for having me on

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tonight

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you're the best and again i'll say this

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everybody kathleen glows you glow now

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02:58:34,550 --> 02:58:32,880
enjoy the rest of your night and uh

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we'll circle back and talk soon thank

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02:58:39,510 --> 02:58:37,120
you so much okay great to see you again

3976
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it's great to see you thank you kathleen

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kathleen martin and we've got the links

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up for the book throughout social media

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in the video description box below and

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of course

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over on our website i do want to remind

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everybody that tomorrow night

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right here freddie silva is with us and

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we're going to be talking about our

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ancient far past

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and the possibility of e.t contact and

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what is going on there

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and that is tomorrow night

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what an incredible conversation

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kathleen martin thank you so much

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